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As far as I know, the only way to catch one is to utilise GCS. Which is, as we all know, !!fun!! more often than not. Though with a few designs the !!fun!! chance is minimal.

Now the thread qualifies for Most Anticlimatic Ending nomination.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69462.45

TOO MUCH coal!? I haven't bothered with magma forges yet because I'm still learning the ropes of pumps and all that, so I mine out entire veins of the stuff and I STILL don't have enough of it. The veins, no matter how huge they are, only last so long. I can get maybe like 100 iron bars out of a vein, taking the cost of smelting coke from the coal into account. Hey, we're dorfs here. We need more iron than that, yo.

Dig down to the magma sea and set up the forges over it. Quick and easy.

So one day I'm playing DF (one of my first forts) without previously knowing about the random name generators or even that I could change the name of my fort... and when I read the text for the game starting... and the name of my fort...I saw this:

PADDLESEALS

I LAUGHED SO HARD. Paddleseals? REALLY!?  Ahahahahaha!

FORT PADDLESEALS. WE HAVE A BOOMING SEAL CUB LEATHER INDUSTRY AND A MASSIVE SEAL-KILLING MECHANISM IN OUR ANTECHAMBER. WELCOME ABOARD.

But remember, warranty void if seal is broken.

Here's how I start my scaffolding:

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I build a wall, and then a ramp next to the wall.  I build a support 1 tile away from the wall.  I build a grate (or 1 tile bridge or whatever) from the top of the wall to the tile next to the zlevel above the support.  I then build a floor or up stairs or whatever on the support, and build EVERYTHING off of that, with no other supporting contact with anything.  I use bridges to reach the construction from the scaffold.  When I'm done, I just hook a lever up to the support and it's demolition time.  Except for the wall and the ramp, the whole thing goes away with one lever pull.  The wall and ramp can be deconstructed from the ground.

Note: make sure your scaffolding is not going to punch through your fort!

Hey, a good fresh approach. Will probably try that in one of my towers.

Quote from: NewSheoth on October 31, 2010, 05:11:58 pm

Or that.
You see, elves regard animals as low-value, and cloth as high-value. If they like you, they will bring more cloth. If not, more animals.

This isn't quite as true anymore.

In 40d, pack animals' carrying capacity was quite limited, binned materials (like cloth) was always loaded first, and if there wasn't enough weight to fit everything a caravan wanted to bring, they'd simply not bring the rest. So, if elves were happy enough with you, they'd load up their bins and bins of cloth, and have no carrying capacity left for all of the animals that they wanted to bring, so they didn't. If they didn't like you, on the other hand, they'd try to bring less stuff, so they'd have room for non-binned things like animal cages.

In 31.x, however, animals' carrying capacity was massively buffed (perhaps to compensate for the missing wagons), so you will practically never see an elven caravan that is completely filled with cloth. They simply can't become happy enough with you to bring that much cloth. So, now, if the elves like you, they'll bring more of everything, including worthless cloth and wooden armor, but also including precious exotic beasts.

I've also seen some people claim, and hints from ingame behavior, that traders will tend to bring more of things that you've bought before. So, if you buy animals whenever they come, the traders will be more likely to bring more animals. This also means that if you buy-with-a-100%-discount all of traders' cloth, they'll also start bringing more of that. As a result, it's probably better anymore just to treat elves more kindly than you might treat, say, goblin lepers, as they're not completely worthless anymore.

Aha. Thanks for clarification and mechanics. Heard everyone use only the 40d idea without the reasons behind it.

I completed the third requirement relatively recently, by breaching a cavern through the ceiling.

And my entry:

Build this: http://www.strategycore.co.uk/assets/images/games/hommv/HOMM5_PC_haven_town_wide_016_1600.jpg

In short:
A huge stone tower, several dozen tiles wide and long.
A circular basilica on top, right on the edge, with an optional statue. If you want to dedicate it to Armok, leave a hole in the center of it and drop goblins there.
A circular building on the opposite side of the tower (also meant to be a basilica), with tall stained glass (gem) windows.
Several (five on the image) towers near the main one, of varying height, connected by bridges on increasing levels.
Several smaller towers attached to the main tower's walls, separated into zones (crafting, living quarters, barracks, stockpiles etc).

For easier construction, you may leave towers hollow except for the surface/living area.

Additionals:
'Balconies' jutting out of the main tower, with extra living areas.
A stone wall around the tower, 2-z, with drawbridges as gates.
Guard towers on said wall.
A moat around the tower, or a full-fledged river (or just build it next to one, as it is on the picture).
Megadwarfbonus: a town inside the walls, of two-to-three z-level houses of wood and stone.