Bay 12 Games Forum

Quote from: Lagslayer on December 12, 2011, 09:07:53 pm

Quote from: SalmonGod on December 12, 2011, 06:10:11 pm

Quote from: Truean on December 12, 2011, 01:40:24 pm

Now, the corporations don't give a shit and will either: a.) Take a payday for stockholders, or b.) hire, but only in the 3rd world due to globalization. It's a cost benefit scenario. Despite American Workers being rather productive, the company can hire 20 workers in the third world, not have to worry about health, worker safety or environmental regulations, and whip their workers with a rubber hose if they feel like it.

+ Free trade agreements disguised as aid for poor countries to make it that much more attractive

If companies are going to be allowed to compete, then labor must be allowed to compete as well. If it's cheaper to harvest our resources, pay to ship them to china, pay their taxes and workers, and then pay to have it shipped back then it is to just do it over here in the first place, then there is a serious problem with the cost of labor on this side. Shipping is very expensive.

There's a serious problem with the cost on this side--or there's a serious problem on the other side.

In this case, it's both. The Chinese government is run by assholes, sure. They manipulate their currency and have a government enforced monopoly on everything they do. However, there is no denying the problems with labor costs in the US as well. You can't ask for $60 and hour for barely skilled manufacturing labor with ridiculously huge benefits and not expect to be undercut.

Yea, silly americans wantng to work less than 100 hours a week in a toxic and potentially lethal environment from the age of 5 to death and expecting enough pay that their 1 allowed childs growth isn't stunted by malnutrition and forced labor.

I'm confident we won't need to go anywhere near that far. The US still manufactures more goods than any other country, even China, but we also consume a lot more. And now there's this mentality that we are somehow "above" menial labor. Every society needs menial labor workers. They are the manufacturers, the cleaners, the cashiers, and anything on the low end of the pay scale by definition. It utilizes the skills pretty much anyone has. If suddenly everyone was a doctor, then doctor would become the new menial labor because everyone can do it. Kicking the ball further down the field won't make it go away.

Quote from: scriver on December 10, 2011, 09:06:06 pm

Terraria was fun.

Especially once you get a grappling hook and a miner's helmet.

I was playing last night, and a buddy msg'd me on Steam to ask if it was any good.

Me: Yeah, there's a ton of exploration and crafting. And it's the only game I can think of where you can dig straight down to Hell, come back and build a mansion out of all the stuff you found, then craft a flamethrower to go hunt unicorns.

Him: ....wat

You are posting this on the DF forum. You can't just say something like that and expect people to buy it. We do dig down to hell and, Armok willing, build entire fortresses out of Adamantine. Or just colonize hell itself.

Also, Orbital Magma Cannon!

If you are limited to copper and silver as your primary native metals, then outfit your military full suits of copper armor. As for sharp weapons, spears are pretty good with any metal (copper would be superior to silver, though), as are mining picks against armored bits (against fleshy parts, the difference is much smaller). Blunt weapons benefit from hardness, sure, but also more from density, so maces and hammers would also work unless they are made from adamantine (since it's like styrofoam). Bolts and arrows work well enough with any metal (even wood or bone are passable), but I certainly wouldn't waste adamantine on it.

He'd a fortress so he could be a part of one.

WWUD if he didn't have a pick to make a fortress with?

1:cut down all the trees and make walls from them.
2: kill the now pissed off elves
3:loot elves
4:sell elf crap to humans for a pick
5: build fort.

WWUD if he was a philosopher that migrated to the fort?

IF you want insane dwarves, do what I did. Let him become friends with other dwarves, then kill those friends. It generates more ghosts, too.

An idea for the center: make it water tight and use it as a huge aquarium. Or better yet, an !!☼Aquarium☼!!, complete with fire imps, magma crabs, and skeletal carp. Bonus points if the rooms all have windows. Flood the hallways as a doomsday mechanism. Also, all those designs are very pretty.

You also can't forget that American capitalism was literally at war with socialism for decades.  China and USSR are always pointed to as proof that socialism is pure evil tyranny, but that completely ignores the legitimately elected socialist governments that came into power and were doing well in that same period until the CIA sabotaged them.

Examples? Links? Both sides of the issue if possible, please.