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General Discussion / Re: Vector's Progressive Rage Thread
« on: June 04, 2011, 01:24:02 pm »
So all conservatives and Republicans are corrupt, evil people, RedKing? I'm not condoning their actions, but generalizations, misunderstanding, and lack of anything other than "insider information" - On both sides - is what's tearing America in two. Also, isn't this more about Abortion and Gay Rights than every little thing that makes the "others" evil?
Well, I'm in the middle with this certain topic. I know people are going to throw me on the opposite side of where they stand rather than reading what I have to say, but... Might as well. It's an important topic to discuss, even if I might blunder a bit. *Deep, calming breath.*
Abortion is one of those fuzzy areas where people get "What I would do" mixed up with "What everyone should do". People are making generalizations without realizing that things should be handled on a case-by-case basis. I have the rather idealistic view that people are capable of making their own choices when they know enough to make a good one.
For minors, parents need to be responsible teaching their own morals to their children, rather than relying totally on Big Bro to do it. The government is liable to anger everyone while simultaneously trying to please them. It probably needs to be brought up in schools because most parents won't take full responsibility, but it needs to be touched on lightly without shoving a particular ideal on other people's children.
Situations where a woman does become pregnant should be handled very delicately. It's a situation that should be handled discreetly, and decided quickly without anyone pushing anyone else towards a decision. It's not something where a single, rigid moral should dominate, whether it be "you can choose whatever" or "you already chose".
Personally, I lean a little - Key word little - closer to the "you already chose" department, but I don't go to the extreme of prosecuting and hating those that do things that I wouldn't do. As I see things, decisions have consequences. That doesn't mean the decision making should stop, of course. Pregnancy is an uncomfortable and sometimes unwanted result of an action. If the person does not want the child, then the government already has a large system set up for unwanted or homeless children, as it should. I'm not saying that all women who can go through the entire pregnancy without a problem must do so - Just that the fear of "dealing with it", treating pregnancy as a minor inconvenience to be cast aside at a whim, shouldn't be a justifiable reason for an abortion. Again, it's too clouded to have a end-all moral direction for us to go to every single time.
Victims of incest, rape, or those in danger of losing their life or the life of the child should definitely have the option of aborting. I wouldn't force any woman or family to go through that kind of situation. They are totally within their rights to have an abortion.
I have a deep respect for life and choice. This is one of the more difficult topics for me to talk about because it's a situation where both can be in conflict. I'm okay with how things stand in the general populace, though - There's not much I can do about people going out to have an abortion, so we might as well make it safe for the women in question. We've come to as good of a balance was we're going to come to, and I'm satisfied with that. Now people just need to stop throwing crap because it goes against their moral or political ideal.
Touching briefly on homosexuality, which has been discussed quite extensively: I don't agree with what you do, but I'm not going to stop you. I can be friends with homosexuals as long as they don't make their sexuality the entirety of who they are. I won't force my morals on them if they don't do it to me.
No one should be forcing anyone to go through a "rehabilitation". If things like the story with the girl really are happening, they should be shut down - Hard. That's not what our country was founded on, and it's a violation of human rights.
I wouldn't be directly opposed to it.
Well, I'm in the middle with this certain topic. I know people are going to throw me on the opposite side of where they stand rather than reading what I have to say, but... Might as well. It's an important topic to discuss, even if I might blunder a bit. *Deep, calming breath.*
Abortion is one of those fuzzy areas where people get "What I would do" mixed up with "What everyone should do". People are making generalizations without realizing that things should be handled on a case-by-case basis. I have the rather idealistic view that people are capable of making their own choices when they know enough to make a good one.
For minors, parents need to be responsible teaching their own morals to their children, rather than relying totally on Big Bro to do it. The government is liable to anger everyone while simultaneously trying to please them. It probably needs to be brought up in schools because most parents won't take full responsibility, but it needs to be touched on lightly without shoving a particular ideal on other people's children.
Situations where a woman does become pregnant should be handled very delicately. It's a situation that should be handled discreetly, and decided quickly without anyone pushing anyone else towards a decision. It's not something where a single, rigid moral should dominate, whether it be "you can choose whatever" or "you already chose".
Personally, I lean a little - Key word little - closer to the "you already chose" department, but I don't go to the extreme of prosecuting and hating those that do things that I wouldn't do. As I see things, decisions have consequences. That doesn't mean the decision making should stop, of course. Pregnancy is an uncomfortable and sometimes unwanted result of an action. If the person does not want the child, then the government already has a large system set up for unwanted or homeless children, as it should. I'm not saying that all women who can go through the entire pregnancy without a problem must do so - Just that the fear of "dealing with it", treating pregnancy as a minor inconvenience to be cast aside at a whim, shouldn't be a justifiable reason for an abortion. Again, it's too clouded to have a end-all moral direction for us to go to every single time.
Victims of incest, rape, or those in danger of losing their life or the life of the child should definitely have the option of aborting. I wouldn't force any woman or family to go through that kind of situation. They are totally within their rights to have an abortion.
I have a deep respect for life and choice. This is one of the more difficult topics for me to talk about because it's a situation where both can be in conflict. I'm okay with how things stand in the general populace, though - There's not much I can do about people going out to have an abortion, so we might as well make it safe for the women in question. We've come to as good of a balance was we're going to come to, and I'm satisfied with that. Now people just need to stop throwing crap because it goes against their moral or political ideal.
Touching briefly on homosexuality, which has been discussed quite extensively: I don't agree with what you do, but I'm not going to stop you. I can be friends with homosexuals as long as they don't make their sexuality the entirety of who they are. I won't force my morals on them if they don't do it to me.
No one should be forcing anyone to go through a "rehabilitation". If things like the story with the girl really are happening, they should be shut down - Hard. That's not what our country was founded on, and it's a violation of human rights.
When I saw this, my first thought was "Can we make this mandatory for all males at say, age 15?"
I wouldn't be directly opposed to it.
