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Honestly, people like Trump is why I prefer parliamentary systems to presidential systems. You guys have a collective brain fart and are stuck with someone like that for at least 4 years. In Australia, we ended up with Tony Abbott, and they managed to get rid of him in less than 2 years. There's also the fact that ministers here are all elected officials. Our guys can't just bring in some tobacco lobbyist and put them in charge of the department of health.

Y'all forgot to say that if we did manage to get rid of Trump, we get Pence instead!

So, thoughts on this format.  Would you want to play in another?  Should something about the format change?  I noticed no one wanted to gamble on the mystery abilities.

I enjoyed this. The excess of revivals probably helped town a bit.

Quote from: hector13 on November 11, 2016, 01:43:41 pm

The unfortunate thing is we aren't "just saying", seeing as he has said a lot of pretty racist and sexist things over the past year, including saying that Mexico is sending all its rapists and drug dealers and murderers to America, that Megyn Kelly can't perform her duties as a moderator because she was on her period, and saying he can get away with sexually abusing women because he's famous.

We could provide links if you want?

"including saying that Mexico is sending all its rapists and drug dealers and murderers to America"
Not all and it isn't some Mexican conspiracy, illegal immigrants do have significantly higher violent crime rates than US citizens. Saying that make me racist too?

You are if you believe that without having looked into it, or providing numbers.

You did provide numbers! Awesome.

How about stats, from the US GAO? http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
Now, take the rates and compare them to these (which does not separate Illegals/nonillegals): https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43

So, assuming that crime rates have been relatively constant (they have been in a slow decline, since forever):
Divide the GAO numbers by the number of years covered in the report (this varies) and divide them against the FBI numbers to get the rate of US crime committed by illegals.
Give about a 10 point margin of error because none of us aren't going to do a full statically analysis.

Tell me about how stats are racist too.

... what?

You do realise that the statistics you used in the first thing were for all criminal aliens in prison? And that they bear no relation at all to the second, seeing as that's the prison population for everyone? Particularly considering that the first set is from 09/10, and the FBI ones are from 2014...

Looking at just the numbers for the first one, there were 55k aliens in federal prison in 2010, and 296,000 in state/local prisons in '09. Add them together, get 347,000. It says in the GAO study the alien population in the US was 25.3m  in '09. That gives as an incarceration rate of 1.37%. This allows me to move onto a rebuttal for you to peruse.

"Megyn Kelly can't perform her duties as a moderator because she was on her period"
He was making fun of her. Makes him an ass, not a sexist. I didn't care the Bill got a BJ, I don't care that Trump makes fun of people. I care about policy.

He was joking so much he tried to have her removed as a moderator for another debate, and then decided not to appear on said debate.

Sounds like he was taking it very seriously.

"When you are a star you can do it, they'll let you do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. They'll let you do anything."
Crude and bragging sure, but correct social commentary. Funny enough, in the same tape, right after a woman comes up and encourages him to man handle her.

Maybe we have different views of right and wrong. If girl is totally ok you what you are doing, even if it's just because you are rich, that is fine.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Because a handful of women wouldn't mind being manhandled by a celebrity, it's alright he thinks he can do anything to all women?

Not to mention the many cases of sexual assault of which he's been accused.

Quote from: hector13 on November 11, 2016, 01:06:15 pm

Quote from: MasterFancyPants on November 11, 2016, 01:03:28 pm

You guys still pushing the racist, sexist thing?

Trump got 1/3 of the minority vote and 1/2 of the female vote. He also got the majority of the white vote who previously voted for Obama.

Because minorities voting for a racist ceases to make them racist? Women voting for a sexist ceases to make them sexist?

Unlikely you support someone who hates you.

That's not explaining how Trump is neither racist or sexist. How does the opinions of the groups you mention mean Trump has not indulged in racist or sexist rhetoric during the campaign?

Please don't respond like that, and please nobody respond in kind...

Quote from: Neonivek on November 11, 2016, 10:09:43 am

Quote from: Folly on November 11, 2016, 10:06:29 am

CNN reporting just shy of 400 people arrested nationwide last night in anti-Trump protests/riots. Tonight is expected to be worse.

Buckle up buckaroos.

Ok... NOW it is dumb

How is it dumb? Also, I heard it was more like 200. But yeah, it's only going to get worse, but the protests won't last forever because people have lives, except for those that don't really.

It's dumb 'cause it won't really change anything. If it does, it'll make it that after every election there'll be large-scale riots by the losers.

Anyhow, re: wierd's stuff about the EC being fairer than an alternative: not really.

You said at one point (can't be bothered finding it) that the US isn't a democracy and that one person =/= one vote... and you appear to think that's okay.

My preferred system would be a proportional allocation of the EC numbers based on the voting in each state. If the Republicans get 60% of a state, they get 60% of the EC votes. That would at least mean that candidates have to make an effort to court voters with their platforms, and voters that don't adhere to a state's voting patterns (D in CA, R in TX and so on) will be more inclined to come out and vote, 'cause then their vote actually means something.

Presently it's what, 12 states that get most of the attention because they can swing the vote? Those guys get all the power, and policies catered to their needs. Everyone else presently has to suck it up. If they benefit from it? Great! If not, tough cookies, you mean squat at crunch time.

That's not - for some bizarre reason - the vote that matters. In an essentially two-party race.

Why is that, again?