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Ask and you shall receive.

I do wonder what ThatAussieDwarfGuy is up to these days, though. Just vanished.

A citrus thaumancer? NZ. He is to sheep what Trump is to women.

There also appears to be an erect penis in one of the avatars.

'ave they been checked for worms?

TWS

Quote from: hector13

I'm not sure you should be saying something like that when you devoted all of your time to a case that was based on something that happened in the first 4 hours of the game.

I don't see how when it happened matters at all.

Well you did say you found it suspicious that I was pressuring other people after you pointed out I hadn't done so within the first 4 hours of an approximately 132 hour D1 - a point in the game I'm fairly sure everyone will agree was RVS, I think only about 6 people had said anything at that point. You also said RVS questions didn't have any inherent value to them, but spent half of D1 focusing on an incident that occurred slap bang in the middle of the RVS period.

I mean, it initially seemed like you were poking for a reaction, but then you carried it on for far too long for that, and then ignored other things that I was doing. Then you said this:

Hector: I saw you as mildly defensive because you attacked only the questions asked to you. I wanted to see how far I could push it.

Which doesn't make sense to me because you pushed it without really getting a read on me, and as far as I can tell, not much content given my story didn't change.

What were you pushing it for? Did you have a goal in mind for when you would stop pushing it, or did you just give up because I said the main point of your case was weak?

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However, I assume you have a read on me? That's what scumhunting is s'posed to do. Perhaps you'd like to share it? Maybe with some supporting evidence from our interaction?

I'll admit, I didn't get a strong read - but before you call me out on that, think for a bit. Do you get a good read every time you pressure someone? Especially experienced players? (I don't actually know how experienced you are.)

Basically, you aren't definitively scummy. But nothing that you've said makes me think that you're town either. Head leans town, gut leans scum. I'll wait on it.

Generally I will push someone until I get a strong(er) reading one way or another, so again, this doesn't make sense to me. I have done more than what initially piqued your suspicions, but you don't appear to have applied that to your scumhunting/read of me, which seems very... cavalier? As though everything that happens outside of your interactions doesn't matter, or won't influence what you're doing or thinking.

TBF

My commentary is as follows:No, I'm not going to randomly drop into this argument just because you asked me.

I have got on at you about not generating content a lot - in this game and beyond - and you were handed an opportunity to provide your thoughts on two players here, which allows people to get a bit of a read on you too... as well as ask questions of your own to one or both parties. Why on Earth did you decide to brush it off?

It makes it look like you don't want to participate, which makes it look like you don't have a town motive.

Do you want people to vote for you? Is that what it's going to take to get you involved?

TDS

Unvote because my TWS vote was from RVS.

Quote from: Imic on October 24, 2016, 01:40:22 am

I am still here. Not in favour of extending, this is long enough.

Why? Do you have further thoughts on who could be scum?

juicebox, Imic, hector13, fillipk: Are you all comfortable with keeping your vote from RVS? We currently have a 5-way tie for the lynch and exactly one of those votes (a pressure vote from TWS) is even semi-serious.

Yes, FoU is troubling me the most. I'm trying to figure out why.

fillipk

UXLZ. This one I plan on keeping for now.

Could you summarise your case, please?

There still are folks like that in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran and... other places.

They're religious folks though, and charge folk for religious violations which include things like "art are you wearing!? Too much ankle!" /a little bit racist

Quote from: hector13 on October 23, 2016, 09:15:52 pm

Because being an adult means having a massive stick up your arse.

It's not a stick, man, it's a spine.

On a more serious note, in my mind, here's the big thing: You never ever felt like you were a child to begin with either.

All the more reason to have a room full of playpen balls!

Isn't there an 'include lower titles' option when you give away land that grants the entire thing?

That's what I was saying that didn't work. Just gives them a single county in the kingdom and the title.

I have literally hundreds of baronies to sift through and a desire for some organization. Initially I started handing out counties with single holdings, then two holdings and so on, which were spread out all over. All the vassals have -20 penalties for various Duchies and Kingdom titles so even if I do give them all enough land to reduce the penalty for "needs more grazing land!" or whatever they all hate me 'cause they're spread out everywhere.

It only became a problem when I got Conclave though. Everybody would get all pissy about my conquesting without the Council's blessing and I may have not noticed that for a while and then wondered why literally every single person in my glorious land loathed me with a passion before realizing.

"Oh," I said "Looks like a reign of tyranny is going to begin." before demanding titles from all the non-nomad vassals, then imprisoning traitorous bastard nomad vassals and then the problem I have with handing out land.

TL;DR doesn't work, multiple -20 "I want x title" penalties, Conclave, not paying attention to Council's opinion on starting wars, reign of tyranny, mass demand on non-nomad vassal titles, imprison and murder nomad vassals, too much land to sift through for order, can't hand it out with organization 'cause doesn't work.

There's no easy way to hand out holdings though, if you're like me and expand expand expand and keep all the holdings with buildings 'cause your vassals are too stupid to pillage them, meaning you do get minor clan uprisings which are nasty if you do them legit and don't cheese out by surrendering.

Not that I ever do them legit... but then you have unhappy person with large horde, who tends to immediately join the "replace Khan" and/or "Independece" factions.