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Mafia / Re: Supernatural Mafia 11 - Day 1 Begins with the Ancestor's Blessings
« on: August 18, 2023, 04:09:51 pm »
Oh, I’m also not treating CM as if they’re being extremely productive. To be honest their arguments suck (sorry CM). They’ve been willing to make an effort, which is a damn sight more than you and Snowkiller have done, even without being promoted to after our little coaching session.
You have done nothing but complain about statistics and no lynches, and coincidentally choose - four hours prior to day end! - to make a case against someone who has been on at you all day, and coincidentally the only player you’re likely to be able to get eliminated ahead of you? Come on guy.
PPE: CM can’t simultaneously be posting fuller and engaging with the game.
Here are Snowkiller’s posts, please tell me how that is better than what CM has been doing. This should be easy as you have all Snowkiller’s posts below and the issues you have with CM from your own post:
PPE2: Toony and Snowkiller will be voting me soon, possibly followed by EP and maybe even Caz. The tie won’t last to day end brah.
You have done nothing but complain about statistics and no lynches, and coincidentally choose - four hours prior to day end! - to make a case against someone who has been on at you all day, and coincidentally the only player you’re likely to be able to get eliminated ahead of you? Come on guy.
PPE: CM can’t simultaneously be posting fuller and engaging with the game.
Here are Snowkiller’s posts, please tell me how that is better than what CM has been doing. This should be easy as you have all Snowkiller’s posts below and the issues you have with CM from your own post:
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Snowkiller: what do you look for in a D1 elimination?I'm new to this game genre but I don't think I "look" for anything in D1, unless the person slips up and says something sus. It's the first day. I don't know enough about the game in general nor the people in this particular instance to say "yay" or "nay" on lynching. That's why I usually go for no lynch in the critically few mafia games I've been in.
Ninja Edit: Yes, Maximum Spin. I've been using various resources to get up to speed on the mafia game and its various formats. I'm still not an expert and will likely look dumb for the entirety of this game.
Crap! I forgot--I'm not supposed to edit posts in a mafia game.
For the GM: I edited my response to the question I asked. Nothing game-relevant or breaking, but still, I broke the rule(s). If I get a pee-pee slap then I'll take it. I wasn't trying to do any weird stuff. I'm just used to getting yelled at for double-posting, since that's a general forum rule everywhere you go.
Just going to cut in here. I don't see the point in lynching on day one without some kind of platform to jump off of. I noticed someone earlier said that I'm town because I want a NL; D1 vote. Color me stupid, but I was under the impression the goal was to eliminate mafia, and protect town.
"But Snow!", you'll cry. "You can't not lynch for the entire game! It's how the town does their thing unless they have power roles!"
I get that. Really, I do. And I never said to not lynch EVER. I said, avoid D1 lynching UNLESS someone says something undeniably sus.
Just putting this here for the couple of you who pointed my NL preference out.You gotta break some eggs to make an omelette, man. Eliminated townies still win with the rest of us, so you can’t be worrying about hitting them with an elimination.
You also can’t work on statistics. They can be manipulated to make ‘em say what you want ‘em to say. Like justifying sitting on the fence…This came in before I posted. It's got me thinking. I suppose, if one wishes to get technical, that the W goes to everyone who was town--even those who were lynched. But then, playing the game is fun so you still don't want to take an L by being wrongly lynched. I still stand by my lack of desire to lynch, but I will submit that I'm more open to voting for a lynch. But again, it still ultimately comes down to "who is sus." I have not seen anyone as of yet who is.
Lord have mercy. You all chat something fierce. I turn away for an hour or two and come back to novels. Are all mafia games this conversational?As noted in the post I voted the Elephant, probably town with the response you gave. It's too inflammatory to be a scum answer. they like to coordinate in their chat. I've no clue why hector made that last post, they should have been able to guess that?
I tend to gloss over your posts. The way you format them is… I don’t know if you’re familiar with the term “border gore” in games like Crusader Kings, but that.I was about to make a Stronghold: Crusader reference until I re-read your post and saw you mentioned Crusader Kings. A game I have played that I think is interesting, but am too smoothbrain to fully sink into. All the Paradox games are like that for me. Sid Meier on the other hand? Civilization all day. Those games tend to be slow as all get-out, but I love me some Civilization.
Good News: I'm inching closer to the idea of a D1 lynch, based on what others have said about needing to kill SOMEONE so that we don't have an eternal lynch-freeze and lose the game.
Bad News: I don't know enough about anyone in this game to point the finger at. So I'm still in no-lynch mode. At this rate, I might get lynched by everyone else just to move this along.
So, this may sound like a smoothbrain take, but I have a tendency to overthink and complicate things. Work in progress. What helps me realign and get back on target is revisiting the basics.
1) Mafia is about social deduction/interaction/deception.
2) There are two sides; mafia and town.
3) One is an informed minority, the other an uninformed majority.
4) The goal for both sides is to eliminate every member of the opposing faction. (Yes, yes--neutral/third party factions exist but I'm keeping it simple.)
5) The "meta" is for everyone to maintain a town identity.
The fifth point is important, because it reminds me that everyone will lie about being town, unless they're aiming for some kind of Xanatos Gambit (see TVTropes.org for definition). This means, no one will come out and say they're mafia, which means I only have their words to go off of. The problem here is that I have not seen anyone say anything that might betray their allegiance. It's been pot shots back and forth between veterans, with plenty of inside jokes and such to add that fuel. Player X might always do "this thing" in mafia games, and they might have done "this thing" in a previous game as mafia. But we're in a new game. They might not be mafia this time, can ya dig it? I'm afraid I'm no L, Light or Lelouch. I don't think I've even seen anything mildly suspicious yet. The only player who comes remotely close is TricMagic, and even then I admit it could be a gambit play. It could be his Lelouch/Geass move, and I'm personally getting a kick out of his fall-on-my-sword-for-the-good-of-the-colony antics, if only to keep the game moving at a steady pace. I want him to stick around just for my own amusement. Every game needs a Joker.
The sub-forum is weird. We can have a day like yesterday in which we get 2 pages of stuff in 24 hours and then days like today when it gets lots of stuff going. Day end is usually busy too.
Anyway, generally speaking, in my experience, scum want to keep the game in a low information state so people don’t have enough to go on to draw (the correct) conclusions.
Town want to get as much information out as possible to be able to make the right decisions.
It gets more complicated than that but that’s basically what the game is.
Is there anybody you think is trying to keep the game in a low information state?
How about someone trying to get information into the world?Is that so? It is a shame, then, that upon death, a player is regaled to spectate and further participation in-thread is forbidden. I'm beginning to enjoy the banter. Not doing it myself, mind you. But reading the banter of others.
To answer your question: no. I could maybe go for Maximum Spin, since he seems to be memeing (thus off-tracking the game, which would result in more town hold-ups, and longer mafia lifespan). That's not enough to sentence anyone, of course, but I do believe I have my first suspicious gaze to cast at another player. Well done, Mr. Spin. Well done.
Eh, I want more from sofanthiel and Snowkiller. They’ve got a bit under 24 hours to pick someone to eliminate, I will not accept no lynch as an answer.I don't really think it's either.
Currently I am happy with Hector or Elephant Parade's demise since one of them is mafia.
I’m disinclined to believe it’s EP so… come and ‘ave a go if you think yer ‘ard enough.You're Lominsan now?
Translation: hector13 cannot read, and so blames others. I'm not sure why you being unable to read something that was previously posted makes me mafia, but I figure that's your deal and continue on.
Translation: hector13 cannot read, and so blames others. I'm not sure why you being unable to read something that was previously posted makes me mafia, but I figure that's your deal and continue on.
If you want to make things more abrasive I’m quite willing to drop the politeness if you want?
What am I not reading? That you suspect MaxSpin? Because you’ve posted seven times in the game, and put shade on one person, and done nothing with that.
If you’re town, the only way you win is by lynching scum. How do you intend to contribute to that?I could redirect my suspicion from Maximum Spin towards you, if that will help. I don't know--you let me know what it is you'd like to do.
PPE2: Toony and Snowkiller will be voting me soon, possibly followed by EP and maybe even Caz. The tie won’t last to day end brah.