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I met a Kakuna, which I already had plenty of but whatever free experience.

Until I lost GPS signal for a split second, and that took away my ability to throw pokeballs.

Pokemon Go. This was the same session where I caught an invisible Spearow.

My first ever catch was an invisible Bulbasaur.

Quote from: hector13 on July 21, 2016, 12:17:51 pm

As I said, you basically just asked everyone if they have a power role. This makes it look like you're a lot more interested in finding PRs than finding scum.

You're not doing so well in the early stages...

Hector: I think you are reading into it too much. he asked if we believed the entire player list all had power roles initially. I already told him that it was false (due to my role) and thus answered his question for everyone.

That said, which would you prefer: Roleblocking a person, or selecting three people, one of which dying the following night at random?

Not enough context.

We also have no way of knowing if you're telling the truth. If you are, you've narrowed down the target list for a scum or third-party night action. It's not a question that will ever be good for town, regardless of the motive.

He eventually got lynched because it was a stupid question that everybody got up in arms over.

I think he waited until D2 to ask it though...

TBF

Quote from: hector13 on July 20, 2016, 09:26:02 pm

TBF: obvscum

I find it hard to believe you missed the question immediately after that, which would have given you an idea of the reason behind my vote, particularly since a lot of the questions I asked you after that (aka "follow-up") followed the same theme. Shall I give you the benefit of the doubt? No, I don't think I will.

@juicebox:Compare facts against roles, compare roles against actions, compare themes against claims.  Probably going to be harder here because we don't know the original makeup of the team, nor is there an overarching thematic element in evidence, but, it's not impossible.

Presently you have only really asked about the flavour, and justified asking about the flavour. How are you going to find these facts to compare them against the flavour if all you're doing is asking about flavour?

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juicebox

I plan on doing some good ol' scumhunting

What are you looking for when you look for scum?

What are you looking for when you look for town?

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Dustan

Quote from: hector13 on July 21, 2016, 12:54:14 am

Dustan: how much experience of forum Mafia do you have in general, and on B12 specifically? Your little... I don't know, analysis? of my vote bothers me, especially since you told me how I should use it.

I might not be used to the slower pace of forum mafia as of yet, having only played a bastard game, but in my personal experience playing regular mafia, randomly voting people up is a very scummy thing to do.
Maybe there's a method to your madness, maybe you're a executioner who just hates someone's guts. I don't know yet, but random voting rarely leads to a true scum lynch.

How random (meaning without pattern, method, conscious decision) do you think the vote was? Is it coincidental that I voted the only person to have posted anything at that point in the game?

Also, at that point there was 60+ hours until the end of the day, how likely do you think it is that my vote will remain on TBF for the day's entirety? (though this question is more for at the time rather than now. Now it looks increasingly likely...)

The reason I ask is a vote in this doesn't work like it does in ToS, at least as far as I remember. You can only vote at day end in ToS, while here - as you noted - you can vote whenever you like, and change your vote whenever you like. This makes the vote more dynamic, and it can be used as a tool for scumhunting.

The reason I asked about your experience is that in vanilla games, every townie has a vote, and this vote is the only thing they can use to get rid of the scum. Given that I put a great deal of stock in the day game of every game I play, when someone tells another someone how to use that vote, it's like they're trying to take away their voice, and that is something I do not appreciate. I wasn't voting you for doing that because I wasn't sure about your experience of forum mafia, and TBF is doing slightly more scummy things.

Be warned, however; you are on the scumdar.

Flavor can be important in allowing people to determine roles. The more you know about the others and their abilities, the more likely you will be able to point out inconsistencies and in turn, possibly scummy players.

How will flavour help you determine these things? Flavour may give you an idea, but considering you weren't the one to come up with the idea... how close to the actual role and action do you think you'll get, knowing only flavour?

2: Voting people up on day 1/2 (can't vote till day 2 on TOS normally) Is a very jester/executioner thing to do. add on the blind claim of scum with no supporting evidence and you got a very suspicious vote with no logical reason to be there if the player is a townie.

3: Given the lack of information in the current state of the game, it's not really sound to vote someone up quite yet. I also don't know if we actually do have exe/jester-like third parties, meaning that a vote up this early could potentially be dangerous.

Again, many hours left 'til day end. Lots of things can happen in the mean time. What do you think I was trying to do - at the very, very start of D1 - throwing an unsupported accusation with a vote on someone? Nobody is getting lynched then, excepting bizarre day-ending actions...

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I'll post more in a bit, inclement weather could turn nasty so I'm going to... do something else

1. How is choosing someone literally at random better than what I did, which was vote you because you did something I thought was shady?

2. There's a 1 in 10 chance that a random dice-roll would've hit me, so there's a 90% chance that's an OMGUS.

3. We're hours into D1. How much follow up are you expecting? Not everyone has even posted yet, brah...

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You've asked few questions yourself and you're also indulging in behaviour you're using as a justification for voting someone, specifically random voting. Why should anyone take you seriously right now?

If you'd like to know what I've contributed so far, we know how you've reacted to a vote, and Dustan may or may not have leapt to your defense as a result, plus miscellaneous things about other players that may or may not prove useful later.

You know how I play the game better than most, given we've completed 14 rounds in Mafia Marathon. Do you honestly see anything different in how I'm doing things here?

If so, what, and why is that suspicious?

It is called the Random Voting Stage.

Dustan

hector: why VOTE UP TBF on day one? You did not even ask them a question. You just called them scum as soon as the game had started.

I did.

I really want to pull a roo here, but I couldn't do it justice.

To respond: consider what part of the game it is, and conclude accordingly. Also could suggest there's some buddying and/or chainsawing going on.

I might also like to ask how I'm not asking questions to TBF, considering I've asked a few questions of him already. Including this one:

TBF

So that if something comes up that you can look at and verify through flavor, you can actually do that?

You have a few games under your belt, how many times has game flavour lead you to scum (or town, as it happens)?

I'm not sure if Stirk would rather I be vague like I have been so he can work with it more easily and not have to keep track of endless things, or is annoyed because he doesn't have as much specific material to work with.

Would you rather one way or the other, Stirk?

I'll piggyback on this, too.