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Quote from: hector13 on July 18, 2016, 04:18:15 pm

Er... all of Europe was obviously a fantastic shiny, crime-free utopia before all the filthy brown people came? Come on man...

Nice strawman fam

looks just as good as your's, brah.

Import jihadis, get jihad

Stopping the entry of and removing immigrant criminals removes immigrant crime, sadly you can't deport criminal yuropoors (well, unless you're a non-EU Yuropean). Even so, imagine a world where yuropoors didn't desire so much enrichening, I'm sure they would find another way to destroy their own civilizations, they have a talent for that

so is yuropoors fault. just replace yuropoors with jihadis; no more people to jihad against. or jihad is now exported back where it came from. problem solve.

There are a number of reasons why Ceartas doesn't like the dragons, I think foremost of which is that Greed and Justice tend not to make good bedfellows anyway, back to discussions...

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Quote from: hector13 on July 17, 2016, 03:14:02 pm

You though, just spent all your Essence on 10 things, one of which has been appropriated by someone else for minimal cost. If half the remaining players decided to follow suit, you've wasted 10E.

This assumes that the modification actions will be completely successful in changing Prince-Dragon mindsets, which is doubtful. Even then, I don't think the actions as written will stop the Dragon-Princes from accomplishing their primary goal of establishing civilization and thus giving me influence income.

A fair point, I guess I'm just mostly peeved at the whole "I influence creatur because NUMBERS" rather than "I influence creature by taking it aside/causing visions/applying pain" or something. More or less the same thing, I'm just evidently displeased with one over the other.

I appreciate you standing up for me like this Hector, but I'd like to say that currently I have no problems with the sea-dragon and green-dragon actions, mostly because I expect them to maintain loyalty to me. On that note, they are still my Dragons, and if the other gods expect that they can order them around there will be problems.

Well I'm not really standing up for you, this just happens to be the most egregious example I've seen (not having played the previous Void games) so that's the one I use. I was mostly just gauging opinion since it's not a huge deal-breaker for me, it just feels that applying numbers is a less interesting way of going about influencing other creatures to your god's way of thinking.

I don't mind changing creations, it's just lazy doing it so directly. Also a little bit annoying, since thes's no reason not to do anything secretly, meaning nobody will know what anyone else has if they don't' want other folk to alter what they've done. As I said, Greed spent 10E, and has wasted one of that already, while another one is kind of also being influenced by someone else. That's 20% in one Tick.

I'd rather some effort go toward manipulating things so the change is gradual and "voluntary" on the crearion's part. Change from the game progressing and RP'ing is good, since it's something you would expect from time progressing and the gods getting involved with other gods' business.

Ceartas raises an eyebrow

"One would hope that Fenez decides not to interact in any capacity with the World Tree or any of its creations if they want the rest of us to ignore..."

Jabs his staff toward Fenetch

"... that. Time will tell."

Quote from: hector13 on July 17, 2016, 10:12:28 pm

Quote from: Ukrainian Ranger on July 17, 2016, 09:48:18 pm

Quote from: Erkki on July 17, 2016, 07:18:59 am

At this point it seems there may not be much left of Kemal Atatürk's Turkey by the end of the year.

I am very disappointed. 

Islam is strong. Secular Iran and Afghanistan are forgotten, Turkey goes the same route. The funniest stuff will start happen when we'll see desecularization of France and Germany.

That's unlikely to happen.

I can't see why not. There are more and more Muslims and they are ready to act to change Europe to their ideal, the other side is not ready to protect their ideals (no, facebook and twitter tags don't count)

I imagine the political process matters, though. They won't manage it through that, not in a historically non-Muslim country.

While I appreciate ISIS and the like are quite happy to force their views on others vis-a-vis non-secular governments, they are very much in the minority, even moreso in the aforementioned non-Muslim countries..

If you're expecting people to convert en masse to Islam - a very necessary step I would imagine, in the world you foresee - then I would be quite willing to bet money you won't ever see that happen, certainly not to the extremist, mass murder-y, "let's enact religious law" variety.

Quote from: Erkki on July 17, 2016, 07:18:59 am

At this point it seems there may not be much left of Kemal Atatürk's Turkey by the end of the year.

I am very disappointed. 

Islam is strong. Secular Iran and Afghanistan are forgotten, Turkey goes the same route. The funniest stuff will start happen when we'll see desecularization of France and Germany.

That's unlikely to happen.

Well every day has lasted 48 hours so I think Tomasque made an error. He can come in and correct is if we're wrong.

I do believe the day is over, so you should stop posting. It was at 12pm PDT..?