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Proposal ...
Sapiant mortals may be created but they do not automatically follow that god. Only through missionary effort a god can feed essence.

Proposal ...1
Following your sphere you gain essence, so for instance a Mountain god that builds mountains and mountain wildlife can get some essence before he is worshipped.

Oppose

"As Munroe stated, the first will result in no-one creating races for fear of the other gods elbowing in without the Essence cost, and the second means we'll just be spamming the easiest thing we can do related to our spheres to generate income."

Proposal: Just Get It Done:

GID.01 At no cost to any deity, the following forms: A large supergas giant, large enough to sustain minor internal fusion, producing a significant quantity of light in the form of a spoopy ethereal blue glow. Orbiting the Supergas giant will be a series of planet sized moons. 23 specifically. Their details remain vague and resolve into reality upon being defined by a deity. All moons are linked by a series of portals. 24 portals on each moon. 23 for the other moons and 1 for the upper atmosphere of the Supergas Giant they orbit. One of these moons is of Ice. One is of Fire. One is of Water. One is Barren. One is a Desert. One is a Jungle.

Oppose

Axe 4: Propose a realm of fire and a realm of ice, between these is the material plane, where earth will form from the mixture of fire and ice.
Axe 5: Propose an orb of fire to provide sunlight to the earth it's over.
"This is better, a world that is simple. One can decide the movement of the orb later."

Support

"On the condition we actually pay for it. I would feel more comfortable in using something that has our creative energies holding it together than things that have merely manifested."

GID:02 At no cost to any deity, create the following: Create a boring earth-like planet. Create Manus, the Burning Light, and Len, the Soothing Sight. Both are spirits that follow each other in orbit around the planet, providing light and a night/day cycle. Len's light is much dimmer than Manus. During eclipses, Manus and Len mate, producing stars as children. These stars give off so little light that they are only visible at night.

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Let's break this down a little bit.

Quote from: hector13 on April 29, 2016, 01:32:30 am

Further, you didn't have to claim, you literally had no reason to claim, so why are you claiming? You suggest that Silthuri was trying to draw out the jailor, but I don't see it. She said she forgot, because RL, not that she forgot and was probably jailed anyway. If you were worried the scum were trying to draw out the jailor... why claim?

You suggest that she forgot and I blocked her, which is possible, of course, but that seems like too much of a coincidence to me.

Not really. They both have more or less the same conclusion, just in one she took an action. How is it too much of a coincidence for you?

EP and Silthuri are pretty much locked onto each other, so you and I are the deciding factors here.

There is one more spot, actually. Unfortunately we'll probably need to wait for any replacement to read through the game to form an opinion, so that'll take some time. Even if we were, there are two of us, and I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you're town.

I think Silthuri is the mafia role cop, because the role cop would know they had been jailed.  They wouldn't get a result on their night action, meaning they'd know there was a jailer present. My point being that I think Silthuri knew she had been jailed during night 2, and wanted to know who the jailer was, in case her claim against EP didn't work.

The same thing would happen if she were the town cop too, either that or she wouldn't get a result. If she sent in an action and didn't receive a result, it would be fairly obvious what happened after a tete-a-tete with the GM.

You're absolutely right, of course, I didn't have to claim.  I could have kept it to myself, but then I wouldn't have been able to advance my case against her as easily.  So I decided to roll the dice, and now I'm having to defend that decision, which I suppose I should have expected.

The game isn't meant to be easy. Silthuri made a claim with something useful for the town (arguably, which is why we're in this pickle) whereas you didn't.

She explained that she wasn't available N2 to send in an action, while you claim to have blocked her and this is apparently damning evidence against her. Your claim adds nothing to your case; indeed, it provokes more questions than answers.

You've claimed to have taken multiple actions in this game that you allege support your case. You initially said you blocked Persus13 N1, twice (I asked in case you confused him for me, and you gave a nice clear answer) and when I pointed out that was impossible as Persus13 was dead, you changed that to webadict/Tiruin, who has been absent for a while and is up for replacement.

You then claimed to have jailed Silthuri/Vector N2, who claimed to have taken no action on N2, yet you seem to think this is significant evidence of their guilt, and is the also serves as the foundation of why you claimed. It doesn't make sense...

Now, for all I know, EP is in on it.  This could be Silthuri throwing EP under the bus to find me.  But that's something that can be figured out after we lynch the far more probable scum:  Silthuri.

I'll accept the first two sentences - OSG bussed their scumbuddy in the previous BM game - but the final sentence is utter nonsense. It's WIFOM, because we won't know until after we lynch either EP or Silthuri. Given that you seem to be considering them as a scum team, perhaps we should lynch EP instead, seeing as they are  being scumread by you, me and Silthuri?

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Okay, some scenarios here, based on my knowledge of the game. 4 VTs are dead, and I'm a VT, meaning 5 are accounted for. This means town has:

1. Another VT and a jailor/cop

2. A cop and a jailor.

Silthuri and doomchild have made claims. They can either be truthing or lying:

Scenario A: Silthuri is lying, doomchild is truthing. Silthuri and Tiruin are scum. (EP could be scum too, being bussed. Less likely perhaps..?)

Scenario B: Silthuri is truthing, doomchild is lying. EP and (probably) doomchild are scum.

Scenario C: Both are truthing. EP and Tiruin are scum.

Scenario D: Both are lying. Mad gambit, Silthuri and (probably) doomchild are scum.

Presently I feel scenario B and C are most likely. Perhaps we should lynch EP?

Quote from: hector13 on April 29, 2016, 01:17:49 am

Quote from: doomchild on April 29, 2016, 12:50:47 am

Quote from: hector13 on April 29, 2016, 12:43:57 am

How were you convinced?

If Silthuri was so sure that EP was scum, why didn't she try to get him lynched on an earlier day?  She didn't really go after him at all.  Instead of going for known (to her) scum, she allowed town lynches.  That makes zero sense to me, so I am convinced that she's scum claiming cop at LYLO to try and hedge her bets against getting lynched.  This just feels like a huge lump of WIFOM was dropped on top of us, so my reaction is to suspect the person that dropped it.

How was she supposed to know ATH was town, if she had investigated someone else on the only night to that point?

She wasn't.  She didn't know whether ATH was town or scum.  But that's not the point.  If she did know that EP was scum, she should have gone after him, and she should have pressed the rest of us to do the same.  But she didn't.

There are a number of reasons that she didn't pressure EP, that I won't go into in case I give her ideas.

Quote from: hector13 on April 29, 2016, 01:17:49 am

Why should we believe your argument that you were forgetful over Silthuri's argument that she was forgetful?

There's not a concrete answer for that.  I feel like a dumbass for forgetting and doing that, and I'm sure that if she had forgotten, she'd feel the same way.  But I know she didn't forget; I blocked her.  So the only thing I know to do is to be as honest and open as I can be about it, and hope that the truth shows through.

Well the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You could very well have blocked her, but she could also have forgotten. Even if she hadn't forgotten, I think it's a sensible move for a cop to not let on that there's a jailor in the game. What makes you so certain that this isn't the case?

Further, you didn't have to claim, you literally had no reason to claim, so why are you claiming? You suggest that Silthuri was trying to draw out the jailor, but I don't see it. She said she forgot, because RL, not that she forgot and was probably jailed anyway. If you were worried the scum were trying to draw out the jailor... why claim?

Quote from: hector13 on April 29, 2016, 12:43:57 am

How were you convinced?

If Silthuri was so sure that EP was scum, why didn't she try to get him lynched on an earlier day?  She didn't really go after him at all.  Instead of going for known (to her) scum, she allowed town lynches.  That makes zero sense to me, so I am convinced that she's scum claiming cop at LYLO to try and hedge her bets against getting lynched.  This just feels like a huge lump of WIFOM was dropped on top of us, so my reaction is to suspect the person that dropped it.

How was she supposed to know ATH was town, if she had investigated someone else on the only night to that point?

Why should we believe your argument that you were forgetful over Silthuri's argument that she was forgetful?

Quote from: 'Jailkeeper' Town

You're the new sheriff of Geronimo. At least you will be if you make it there alive. You've got a pair of handcuffs you can use to keep someone from moving around the train at night, but only at night. Try it during the day, and you might have a revolt on your hands. Or the Pinkertons could get the wrong idea about you.

You are town. Each night, you can guard another player to prevent them from acting or being acted upon.

Win condition: You win when all of the mafia are eliminated.

Persus13 has been killed. He was vanilla town.

Looks like someone made a boo-boo.

The scum did go after Persus13 N1; he was the first NK.

Perhaps you'd like to try again?

"Oh, relax. Statistically, nobody loses essence, but I can amend it to be optional if I must."

"Statistics are a fickle bunch, they can be manipulated to show whatever one wants them to show.

However, if we all break even, why demand the Essence in the first place? You would be as well doing what Vir suggested and conjuring the Essence from nowhere.

"I proposed this not out of some frivolous desire but out of a desire to keep the council together because they fall apart because everyone grows to hate each other because no one on the counsel actually cared about the other's and as such I'm actually working to save the counsel."

We haven't even created anything yet, young one. Saving something that technically doesn't exist yet is a touch premature, no?"

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"As much as I adore tea parties. And revelries in general, I would rather not have it inject too much Essence into our Creation."

Proposal: Every two ticks, Gods will convene in a feast where with the finest delicacies of each of their respective worlds/culture. At the end of the feast, there will be a sweepstake game where each god must contribute at least 1 Essence to the pot, with more essence increasing their chance of winning, and the winner will take all the essences.

Oppose

"I will not be be forced into spending my Essence for frivolous entertainments."

"And how does the food provide the restorative effects of 5,000 souls per every god in attendance?"