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Unsurprising that you're defending ATH, meng.

Did you read D1 at all? I asked pointed questions of most everyone, EP and Gentlefish in particular.

I mean, during EP's absence for exams and stuff I made sure that he knew I wanted a response to questions I asked him in every significant post I made until day end and my first major post of D2. I did the same to Gentlefish when they said they'd look over EP's posts after I accused EP of active lurking. I haven't responded to their responses yet, fair enough, but I'm engaging with the game beyond your "we need to get people to talk, but I don't know how to do that."

Of the two of us, I think you're the one that needs to show you're town, given the bandwagon forming. My vote on you was later than the others, yes, but my FoS (basically telling you a vote will be forthcoming unless you can show me it should be elsewhere) was before the bandwagon formed.

Do you think an OMGUS on your most recent voter is the best way to show you're town?

Well, ATH, actions speak louder than words. You say you want to try to get everyone to get talking, but you don't seem very willing to do it. As Gentlefish said, we've had a week of play, so I find it hard to believe you have no meaningful questions for anyone.

As EP said (ah snap, agreeing with my scumreads... bastards ) your questions to me and Webadict seemed more RVS in nature than scumhunting.

Persus mentioned on D1 a few times (no quotes, PFP) thy asking questions to everyone is a bit pointless, so I want to see some meaningful questions (and follow up!) from you to at least 2 other players, seeing as there's 2 scum still left.

We all need to agree on who to lynch.

Seems rather likely to happen...

So, we know why Starver and I are voting for one another, why are you, FoU, not voting anyone?

Why are you, Moonlit, voting FoU?

So, I built a new PC a few months ago (probably shortly before Christmas)

Everything works alright, except for the occasional time when the SSD drive (primary drive) decides it wants to hide from the rest of the computer, and... loses connection? Isn't detected anymore?

It has been occurring with much more regular frequency in the past month or so. Does anyone know of issues with SSD drives in general with Windows 10, or Seagate ones specifically?

PPE: cunting thing just did it 3 times in the last hour.

Quote from: Helgoland on April 12, 2016, 09:07:46 am

If I understand you correctly, you want to persecute crimes differently depending on who they hurt. That violates fundamental judicial norms.

would you demand equal punishment for a kid who pushes a classmate during recess and a guy who pushes a frail old lady in a stairwell? ...or someone who distributes genocidal leaflets in a mosque and a guy who insults the ego of megalomaniacal dictator?

your idea of equality before the law is skewed by your conservative catholic liberalism, helgo

I don't think the things you're equating are quite the the same things.

@Hector: I think that a duo is unlikely, so if Starver was lying and scum then FoU would be not-scum and thus telling the truth.

I... don't quite understand what you're trying to say, but I did just get up.

Response to Starver

I don't need to explain myself to you @Hector, because it's other people who I need to convince (rightly or wrongly; correctly, incorrectly or even as a diversion), but for the sake of openness I will do anyway.

Indeed, but you owe it to yourself to at least consider that I'm not scum. If you're default position is to not respond to anything I say, how do you expect to be convinced I'm not scum? Nobody else is going to defend me, are they? They're in the same boat as I am: they don't know who is what alignment.

Last point first: Originally I thought you were correctly claiming Chara (before retracting), and that was part of my original assessment.
Now I know think your replacement claim is either correct (the character who is notoriously bloodthirsty, a SOUL stealer, teams up with humans, one of whom is known to be Evil, etc, etc, etc) or else it is yet another fakeclaim, in which case ^whoknows?...

Asriel is actually convinced by Chara to absorb Chara's soul and then go out to kill 6 more humans to break the barrier to the Underground so... I'm not sure where you're getting notoriously bloodythirsty soul stealer from.

Which one do you think it is? Fakeclaim or genuine?

As for 'no read', I've done it myself (for various reasons), and I'll do it again no doubt and your sense of "Oi! I don't like all these questions!" goes far enough to appear to want to suppress all enquiry.  Not to a sensible amount¹, but in a general refusal to partake in a democratic sharing of information.  Given how little information I had given out, myself, and yet had at least tried to join in (external actions aside), your trying to suppress all current/future discussions of this sort looks more like a motive.

But you're the only person allowed to scum-read, naturally, by listening to what information we spill. And I've now spilled far more information than should be necessary.

And I was doing a lot of 'scum-reading', whilst Scum myself, last round.  Not everything I thought (or 'thought up') was said out loud, but I had a whole lot of 'reading' on why it was... Moonlit, I think... who I 'thought' was the more likely villain on the Spaceship.  And barely anyone read me at all!  I even nearly replied to one too-casual mention by yourself that it was possible that I was Evil... I even saved the post I never actually ended up posting...

So you're scum reading me based off your meta now?

Where have I stated I don't want any discussion in this round? When have I withheld information? It's all well and good telling us this is what I said, but without evidence, it's just some more hot air.

You're the one that doesn't like to share. "Spilled more information than should be necessary" aye? I think everyone else gets to be the judge of when you've shared enough information.

You also can't (by open game knowledge) say that Moonlit's not Evil because of the lynch-replace.  The first lynch-replace created an Evil role.  My own best guess, Night 2, was that the second lynch-replace would do something similar.  I could be wrong about the non-Evilness - but I know I'm not wrong about this one not being Human...

The first lynch-replace created a Neutral role, actually, but you do have a point here. I'm not sure about humans being exclusively evil here, though. Chara is a bad human, while the human you play as during the game can be good, neutral, or evil. Assuming all humans are bad is not a good thing to do, methinks.

Moonlit claimed he was the Evil role prior to the lynch-wipe, so it's not inconceivable that his role was replaced with an Evil one, since the game hasn't ended yet.

He has been quite forthcoming with having been the Evil role prior the the lynch, and it wouldn't be very fair to the town to not be getting flips from lynches and then have an Evil role in the replacement pool, especially with a three day limit, so I'm inclined to think Moonlit is not Evil at this point.

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How does Moonlit's claim to have performed the NK and confirmed my role as Asriel fit into Starver's narrative that I'm obvscum?

Your being confirmed as Asriel doesn't even help your own case.  It hurts it.  At least for me, from what little I do know of the Lore - should Lore actually count for anything.

You should read the wiki some more then... Asriel is good and bad for various reasons throughout the game, depending on what happens.

But you're also moreobvthananyoneelsescum because of other things.

How helpfully vague.