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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Bonus Round
« on: April 11, 2016, 08:43:43 pm »
Alright, I won't defend myself against any of your claims then.
(You haven't so far, SFAICT.  Save for the Chara-claim bit, which has already been covered by someone else.)
It's things like this that make me think you don't care about any situation in which I'm not scum. Did you just completely ignore everything I've said?

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Mafia / Re: Local Emergency Mafia | Bastard Game: Day 3 (7/9)
« on: April 11, 2016, 07:47:35 pm »
Er... I was the second one to vote you, and in the midst of my childishness while interacting with DA, I did furnish y'all with a reason. 14 posts back, I believe.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: April 11, 2016, 07:31:24 pm »
pretty awful tbh

See, that was my first encounter with the phrase, so I was quite confused when people were saying Gamersgate is evil incarnate.

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Mafia / Re: Local Emergency Mafia | Bastard Game: Day 3 (7/9)
« on: April 11, 2016, 07:28:51 pm »
EBWOP

Rather, BHK

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Mafia / Re: Local Emergency Mafia | Bastard Game: Day 3 (7/9)
« on: April 11, 2016, 07:27:21 pm »
Unvote, before I forget to do that.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Bonus Round
« on: April 11, 2016, 06:54:58 pm »
Funny thing about those two guys.

Funny thing about that guy who tried to talk sense into them, too.

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Mafia / Re: Local Emergency Mafia | Bastard Game: Day 3 (7/9)
« on: April 11, 2016, 06:30:43 pm »
It has been 2 days and 2 nights, and we've offed the mayor. The town is partway to it's wincon and there are still 6 suspects outside of DAs claim.

Why would an arsonist not take any action in those circumstances? Tomorrow there will be 5 people outside of DA, assuming the no NK trend continues.

If we assume it's a regular arsonist, in that they have to prime their target and then ignite it on another night, it's not a sensible course of action. The suspect list is narrowing without the arsonist even doing anything, and I imagine the first time someone gets primed they'll be shouting it as soon as the next day starts.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Bonus Round
« on: April 11, 2016, 06:15:04 pm »
...without considering any information that suggests otherwise.
There's none that I've seen, but if I've missed it I'll be pleased to have it explained to me.  (By someone else, please, so that I don't potentially get a Scum spinning things for me.)

Alright, I won't defend myself against any of your claims then.

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Mafia / Re: Local Emergency Mafia | Bastard Game: Day 3 (7/9)
« on: April 11, 2016, 06:13:49 pm »
Well I guess I'm still alright with my choice, and the necessity for a majority makes it a lot harder to cheese the result with last minute vote changes.

PPE:

Meh. If it's that or a tie, I'm willing to vote BHK for that attack on pretty much the towniest player. Plus his power just being plain weaker than Revarie's and having nothing to balance it out seems suspect.

TDS, unless you think that a cult not killing people is somehow revolutionary, why is it strange that I'd mention they're a possibility after a night with no kills in a bastard game?

Mmm, I do love the smell of OMGUS in the morning afternoon.

Hector:
Hector, what's your role flavour? It seems unlikely that there'd just be a vanilla townie with no other name in the game considering that everyone else seems to have a role name and ability.

It does, but that doesn't make it impossible.
It pretty much does make it impossible as far as I'm concerned. Everyone else in this game has had a role title (besides TDS, but he's claimed what his role is), but you want us to believe that you're just a vanilla townie? I'm not buying it.

That's 'andy, 'cause I ain't fuckin' sellin' it. (note, language)

Seems like a bloody awful fakeclaim to me (WIFOM, but whatevs)

I'm also aware there are multiple truthtellers here, so I don't particularly want to fakeclaim when there isn't actually a need. So, as with all of my claims, here's a simple sentence:

I am a Vanilla Townsperson.

I didn't create the game, so I can't tell you why OSG decided to name one role Vanilla Townsperson.

How come it took me until I raised my suspicions about you to vote me?
It didn't. It took until you did something that made you more likely to be scum than TDS as far as I'm concerned for me to vote for you, namely your claim that you're a vanilla town as opposed to literally anything else such a role could be called. We've got an IT guy and antiques dealer instead of truthtellers, a Watcher and Oil businessman (for some reason) instead of trackers, but you're just a vanilla townie? Right. I like how you're accusing me of (somehow) OMGUSing you, though, despite you not having voted for me or even raised any valid suspicions about me aside from me apparently being suicidal enough to alert people to the presence of an arsonist for no reason.

You voted me after I postulated you weren't what you say you were. I raised suspicions, you voted me. The suspicions may have been shite, and then you offered up "why the fuck would I do that? That would be so stupid" as a defense. Your logic is impeccable, but then again:

Claiming a crap role name is scummy now, aye? stella artois scumhunting thar m8y u cot meh tek mee2galos hector13hector13hector13 shorten

Oh, you mean where you copied someone else's role flavour and gave no other information about your role at all? You consider that satisfactory?

Like what? I'm a VT. I have no actions and only my role flavour. I win when the mayor dies and there's no way to replace them. That is all of it.

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I don't like the mayor 'cause taxes, I'm not the only one that thinks this, I want the mayor to go away, terminally.
And this is just a copy of BHK's reason for not liking the mayor.

Yes it is, well done! Can I help it if we share flavour? fillipk mentioned it earlier, too. PPE: and TDS as well! Conspiracy!
Would you like to know the difference between you and them? They all have additional parts to their flavours, while you seem to be attempting to hide in the depths of mediocrity. But let the sass flow through you. It is the path to true power.

Aye, they've got roles and abilities other people can confirm. I'm a VT; I have nothing but my vote and my voice.

Anticipating questions: I know I haven't been very active, what of it? My favourite maxim: activity is not indicative of alignment.

I voted for Moonlit D1 because I felt he was more likely to be bad than ATH, who claimed a town role but with the option to be a candidate.

I didn't vote for Moonlit D2 because every other player except Moonlit was voting him by day end, and I wanted to put a bit of pressure on someone else I was suspicious of in BHK.

Or you could do anything whatsoever to back up your argument rather than resting your entire case on claiming that I'm an idiot and then pretending it's scummy that I say you're wrong.

Alright fine, it was a BS cased based on my frustration.

I made my thoughts clear on your case based on my crap role name earlier, I believe.

How about instead of acting wounded that I dared to question your genius, you explain why you thought that would accomplish something when we already knew that voting for things other than the listed candidates wasn't doing anything?

Because we were voting for people, and my wincon is to (presumably this is how we avoid replacement mayors) remove the election process. I thought that voting for electoral reform would be better than voting for nothing at all.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Bonus Round
« on: April 11, 2016, 05:45:50 pm »
Moonlit

Hector: I am not going to tell you my role because it will not help town. I am Town Weakness.

Well you just told us your alignment/archetype, which is a bit more important than your role name...

Anyway.

This is hugely suspicious... the only reason I'm not voting you is because you would've used your ability N1 if you were scum, and I don't think that there are 3 scum roles, so you would've died from FoU. You have a kill, and one that only works on humans. Admittedly, humans aren't always good in Undertale, because it's not humans vs monsters.

You seem to accept FoU's role, and that he acted on Starver N1, so why do you think FoU is scum?

FoU

Hector, Starver: Please state your cases against each other, preferably in 3 sentences each or less. For my sake. Also, I will unvote Hector for the moment.

Starver is indulging in a fair amount of confirmation bias, in that he is not particularly interested in questioning you or Moonlit, and is entirely convinced that I'm scum without considering any information that suggests otherwise.

I'll address his larger response later, seeing as how I'm having a pretty crap day and didn't sleep very well last night.

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Mafia / Re: Local Emergency Mafia | Bastard Game: Day 3 (7/9)
« on: April 11, 2016, 05:34:08 pm »
OSG: What happens if someone doesn't receive a majority of the votes for mayor?

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Mafia / Re: Local Emergency Mafia | Bastard Game: Day 3 (7/9)
« on: April 11, 2016, 05:10:31 pm »
Mmm, I do love the smell of OMGUS in the morning afternoon.

Hector:
Hector, what's your role flavour? It seems unlikely that there'd just be a vanilla townie with no other name in the game considering that everyone else seems to have a role name and ability.

It does, but that doesn't make it impossible.
It pretty much does make it impossible as far as I'm concerned. Everyone else in this game has had a role title (besides TDS, but he's claimed what his role is), but you want us to believe that you're just a vanilla townie? I'm not buying it.

That's 'andy, 'cause I ain't fuckin' sellin' it. (note, language)

Seems like a bloody awful fakeclaim to me (WIFOM, but whatevs)

I'm also aware there are multiple truthtellers here, so I don't particularly want to fakeclaim when there isn't actually a need. So, as with all of my claims, here's a simple sentence:

I am a Vanilla Townsperson.

I didn't create the game, so I can't tell you why OSG decided to name one role Vanilla Townsperson.

How come it took me until I raised my suspicions about you to vote me?

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I also don't like referring to my PM partly for the lack of things I can paraphrase, but also it feels like PM quoting. Don't kill meh!
This is a cop-out.

Yehp I totally didn't paraphrase my flavour in the next quote, no siree. Copped right out of that one.

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I don't like the mayor 'cause taxes, I'm not the only one that thinks this, I want the mayor to go away, terminally.
And this is just a copy of BHK's reason for not liking the mayor.

Yes it is, well done! Can I help it if we share flavour? fillipk mentioned it earlier, too. PPE: and TDS as well! Conspiracy!

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DA is also rubbing me the wrong way. It makes sense for there to be a fire chief... but it's not outside the realm of possibility for a fire chief to start fires to keep their job.
Why would I even mention there being an arsonist when the only indication of anyone knowing about there being criminals of any kind before I mentioned looking for that specific one was NQT and his non-specific criminals?

Would you like some cheese with that wine? I recommend the camembert.

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Referendum on Removing Mayoral Elections!
We already know this won't work. Why are you trying to waste time?

We know that voting "the mod" and "no mayor" doesn't work. I'm sorry I wasted the 5 seconds it took you to read the sentence and the 15 more it took to formulate the reply.

Fine, seeing as she pointed out Moonlit's lies that got him caught, Reverie.



If you want to lynch me over my role name and my flavour, go ahead. The town don't lose a great deal lynching a VT, and I get to see you murderated tomorrow as a result. I understand that being passive-agressive won't win me any backers, but fuck it I'm tired and in a bad mood, so that's what you get.

Just in case, reads list:

Candidates (like what ATH claimed) I think are NQT and DA. ATH was chief physician, so it stands to reason (to me, anyway) that the chief of police and fire chief also harbour politican ambitions.

Potential scum: BHK and DA, in that order. BHK's claims regarding their truth-teller ability strikes me as flimsy. They claimed it worked on fillipk, but not on Reverie (who says she confirmed the claim of fillipk's that BHK checked N1) but was very, very quick to back off the accusations that she was lying after people pointed out she found the Mayor.

DA's OMGUS on me appears quite telling. I may just be annoyed with him after the vote, though, so take that how you will.

On a scale of 1-10 (with 1 being minimally suspicious and 10 being OMGSCUM) my suspicions of BHK rank 7-8, while my suspicions of DA rank ~4.

Comfortable saying Rev is town, and probably fillipk too.

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Mafia / Re: Local Emergency Mafia | Bastard Game: Day 3 (7/9)
« on: April 11, 2016, 01:40:48 pm »
I don't like the mayor for the extortionate taxes.

DA didn't say they found an arsonist, they said they suspect TDS is the arsonist. If you, as police chief, can't tell the difference, this town is in trouble /don't tase me bro

They also suspected that I'm the criminal you're looking for. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion (or are travelling toward it, anyway) that I'm the man you're looking for, but DA did postulate it first, so it looks like you're rejecting one part of his postulation while accepting the other.

If you want me to postulate about the possible criminal activites everyone whose roles have been claimed so far, I can do that (I'll do it anyway because it'll be fun)

Spoiler: You criminal bastards (click to show/hide)

I don't think TDS has claimed a role name yet so... he doesn't appear.

Yeah I'm not buying 'vanilla town' from Hector. There's only so many players in the game that can be a crook, it's looking increasingly likely you're the one.

If we were to delve into your word choice for a moment, you saying I look "increasingly" likely to be your criminal would suggest that you've suspected me for a while now. Would you mind pointing us to where your suspicions began?

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Other Games / Re: How did you last *own*?
« on: April 11, 2016, 01:15:50 pm »
On the way to my largest snake ever (29331.8) I managed to use my constrictor method to catch three snakes of varying sizes. One of them was very clever and was shadowing me inside the circle of my body, hoping to catch me if I made an error, and there was a little shit of a snake doing the same thing on the outside.

Fuck you guys though, I survived.

Then died by running into a tiny snake that got through the last tiny space between my head and my body before they were closed within. Bastard.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Bonus Round
« on: April 11, 2016, 12:59:17 pm »
Fallacy - Willing to believe has the suggested skill.  Willing to believe that (if not in a two-Evils scenario) this exonerates them from being the Evil one.

Why, on both counts?

Moonlit - Willing to believe that you are not now human.  Willing to believe that this means that you are not Evil.

And again, why? There are evil monsters in the game, cha know.

Hector - Seems almost deliberately 'no read' in nature, but still seems intent on stirring up dissent.  If not Chara (and real Chara wasn't originally inclined to argue?) then definitely something funny going on there.  I'm voting Hector, but everyone else needs to consider their own information (and personal (current) motivations), of course.

Not sure what you mean by "deliberately no read". I've said I'm scum reading both you and FoU, and that given Moonlit's wipe, he's not the Evil role. Seems like reads to me.

Also, what "dissent" am I stirring up?

Moonlit also claimed Chara, post-lynch, so why would there be copies of the same role in the game?

FoU

Starver

@Hector: I was actually the Evil role - I was Chara. That's how I know you aren't. Yes, I did the Nightkill, and my auto was that I couldn't vote for you as long as you were Asriel.

Two points here. How does Moonlit claiming the NK fit into FoU's narrative that I performed the NK and am obvscum?

How does Moonlit's claim to have performed the NK and confirmed my role as Asriel fit into Starver's narrative that I'm obvscum?

Are you both completely ignore it because it doesn't fit your theory?

Moonlit: what can you tell us about your new role?

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