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Ah Filipk. With my role, I think there might be a reason you don't want me dead.

My role name might link something to Filipk, is all I'm saying. I've said things to him that would make you want to kill him if I die and flip...

What makes you think fillipk is the mayor? Presumably, as the Mayor's Aide, you would know who the mayor is?

What things have you said to him that will make us want to kill him when you flip?

Elephant Parade spoilered 'cause it's kinda big...

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Vector

Quote from: AbstractTraitorHero on April 02, 2016, 08:40:15 pm

Who do you think is least likely to be scum in other words who do you think is town?

I'm certain that I'm town. I think that you and EP are probably town, tentatively doomchild as well. My read on snow dorf is also town so far. I don't yet have a coherent enough read on everyone to make any meaningful judgments. I tend to form my reads slowly and report them only when I'm fairly certain of something.

Could you tell us why you think EP, snow dwarf and ATH are probably town?

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Gentlefish

Quote from: AbstractTraitorHero on April 02, 2016, 08:40:15 pm

Who do you think is scum and why?

Gosh. I don't have enough reads to say for certain, so I won't name names. Doomchild is reading funny enough for me to want to lynch him D1, though.

What is doomchild saying that makes you so suspicious of them? Already answered

Is there anything (other than it appearing defensive) about people saying they are certainly town that is particularly scummy? Already answered, above link.

However, what makes doomchild more likely to be scum than Elephant Parade or Vector?

They both also said they were town when asked about who they thought was town. EP has appeared to active lurk, as have the newer players, though perhaps because they don't know what questions to ask.

Is there any evidence you can find of doomchild not activelurking, for example when they were engaging in the game?

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doomchild

Right now, I'm most concerned about TinFoilTopHat.  His absence thus far makes me think that he's plotting.  That same thing makes me wonder about Hector13.  Other than that, I don't have any solid leads, but I have a vague sense of unease about GentleFish.  That's just a gut reaction, though, and is subject to change.

Why does TFTH's lurking concern you more than, say, Persus13's?

Where did your gut feeling about Gentlefish originate? I won't accept "I just feel that way" as an answer.

I know I'm town, but other than me, I don't have any solid leads.  I usually start from a position of trusting new people, but I'm finding that to be oddly reversed for me right now.  I only have my gut to go on right now, but I feel like Elephant Parade is probably town, and I'm coming around to that idea about AbstractTraitorHero after re-reading my recent attack on him.  I don't have solid reads on anybody yet, because this is actually a lot harder than I expected.

What makes you think EP and ATH are town?

Hector13:  What the hell, man?  You were frustrated about a tab closing?  Do you normally fly off the handle like that?

Do you have a problem with that? How is this getting you closer to forming a read on me?

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snow dwarf

I do keep a list of who potentially might be a scum and I either ask them questions or wait for them to post something weird.

Who is on this list so far?

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Answers to questions

Who do you think is scum and why?

EP and, to a lesser extent, Gentlefish

Who do you think is least likely to be scum in other words who do you think is town?

doomchild leans that way for me, though not by much.

PPE:

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As an addendum to the previous post for Elephant Parade: since you seem to have thought ATH and Vector were scum through lack of activity I shall share with you the maxim I live by in games of mafia:

Activity is not indicative of alignment (you are welcome, OSG)

It wasn't only the lack of activity, though. In Vector's case, it was more the voting weirdness—of which inactivity was only a part—and with ATH, it was his refusal to seek any activity; according to him, that was different from his usual playstyle.

Vector's vote wasn't weird though. It was explained and she hadn't been on to unvote. I accept there was activity elsewhere, but mafia isn't something of which you should really dip in and out; it requires a great deal of attention and energy.

ATH explained the change in behaviour (which you asked about) and you didn't follow up on your thinking that it wouldn't work to avoid him getting lynched. I don't understand how you can think he's scum then not, based on that.

Reasoning behind my thoughts there is you ask the question, with a vote, then remove the vote once he answers the question, suggesting you don't think he's scum anymore.

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I find it very difficult to accept that you don't have an inkling one way or the other on any of the other eight players in the game. Heck, even if you only have some town-leans on people, that eliminates them from being in the scum pool. You honestly have no impressions on anyone else?

Oh, believe me, I had inklings. The question ATH asked, which I assume is the question you're going off of, asked (IIRC) about who you thought was the most/least scummy. I answered the first question, and I felt I didn't have a substantial enough town read on anyone to answer the second.

"Most" is a relative term. Who do you think is "most" towny, however weak the read is?

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Also, what does the game having been going on for two days have to do with your inability to have even tentative reads on the other players? You don't seem to have followed up on any of your initial concerns on people.

Two days isn't all that long. And again, I have (and had) inklings that some people might be town.

Feel free to share these inklings then, and tell us what made you think them.

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As for your explanation re: game progress: as the active post leader, I would hope that you'd have done the most scumhunting, rather than contenting yourself with having done as much as everyone else.

I'm sorry, what? "Active post leader"? Does having the most posts grant me some kind of title? I had a bunch of free time, and no ICs were around, so I did boring stuff like bug lurkers and hassle newbies.

Super defensive answers go! I like how you make me look like an idiot with gigante comic sans. Nice touch.

Do you feel you can't form an articulate argument and have to resort to dramatic flair to get your point across? 'cause that's what it looks like.

To answer your question, no it does not grant you a title. It does, however, grant a certain expectation that you be useful. You have not met that expectation, in my opinion.

Should we just ignore all your posts from the first two days because you were being helpful?

My expectation is that you having the most posts would mean you've done the most scumhunting though - in your own words I might add - you have done "as much as" anyone else. Do you understand why I find that suspicious?

Except not really.

Asgore is said to be the final boss for most of the game, and Sans is the final boss for a particular run, so...

There's also the issue of whether or not I'm being honest *shrugs* same can be said for all of you.

Garnet

Quote from: Bauglir on April 03, 2016, 12:36:10 am

Quote from: Putnam on April 03, 2016, 12:21:07 am

-snop-

what the actual fuck

I wish I understood that as well as it was written because that looks pretty amazing! ;_;
And now I'm on a tangent remembering the paradoxes of the philosophers of old <_< My memory is silly and fun.
The only way to stop me is to give me a puzzle on the same level of the Gordian knot. I:

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Democracy..?