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Uuugh.

I just can't believe this author is occasionally getting away with twisting everything into the most negative possible interpretations...

Don't you know? All cis are pompous, and even moreso for being unable to get their head around someone not being the same gender as the sex they were born with.

Well it doesn't matter anyway, as I said, speculation on that is pointless, since we can't be sure.

Did a True Pacifist run in Undertale. Took me a bit because I forgot to do something before I got to the end, but goddamn them feels man.

This turned into a wall. Damn...

Goodness, so many things to say to that.

That was a really unwise thing to do, Hector. Here's why:
Assuming that nobody counterclaims

Who's going to CC? Only scum. If they do and I get lynched, they lose tomorrow. So... false.

then the scum will almost certainly try to attack you to make sure you are silent no matter what, either you will die

Which means we have a confirmed townie tomorrow... and if Moonlit dies, I get an opportunity to investigate and maybe some credit for outing him as a townie.

or the doctor (if there is one) will save and role block you. This will lead to both town power roles essentially useless for the remainder of the game.

Another falsehood. The jailor will know that I'm the target, yes, but that means they then get to choose between three of you guys to find the scum. What would be the point in protecting me knowing it would force me to be unable to act, when choosing one of the others will eliminate someone as a suspect tomorrow almost as well as if I had been able to investigate? If I don't die, they likely found the scum. Though this is a WIFOM argument, as the scum could just fail to act and then fakeclaim jailor.

Leaving the game to MYLO. That is actually the best case scenario. If there is no doctor, you will be killed next night, and the game would be in LYLO. If the doctor tries to pick a random person and hope that they roleblock the scum, then you die and we are still in LYLO with only a marginally increased chance of the doc finding scum, assuming there is a doc.

Not really. There's a 1 in 2 chance of the jailor targeting scum during the night, assuming they believe my claim, meaning they won't target myself or Moonlit. This leaves the choice between you and DA (assuming fillipk is lynched today, which I'd really like to happen please) which would mean, in the event of a NK, the other one is scum - excusing no shenanigans with choosing not to kill.

If you had not claimed, you and the doc (if there is one) would get an extra chance to find scum along with the lynches.

There still is a chance, man. There's only one mafiakill. I'll likely be the target, so the jailor might stop it by targeting whoever of you three doesn't get lynched. Again, excusing no shenanigans.

Of course, there is always the possibility that you are scum preying on the 1/3 chance that there is no cop. Although that is quite a small chance.

Keeping an open mind; good.

In short, I believe you are the cop, but it was a really dumb thing to claim right now.

No Lynch I think everybody should vote no lynch since our cop is now useless and no lynch gives the town some infomation (like if there is a doc and if Hector was telling the tuth) while still giving us the same amount of lynches as we would otherwise get.

Another falsehood! A big one, too. Earlier in that post you claim that being in MYLO would be the best situation, yet you want a no lynch? Do explain, mang.

Then you say a no lynch gives the town information. False! A no lynch gives the town no information:

- An NK means either the jailor missed the scum or the target, or that there is no jailor!

- No NK means that the jailor found either the target or the scum, or the scum decided not to NK!

- No role flip means no analysis of someone's previous posts!

Multiple explanations for either result means no useful information, and no role flip is no bueno.

THEN! Goodness, what do you mean a no lynch will give us the same amount of lynches as actually lynching someone!? We have two opportunities to lynch just now, today and tomorrow (rocket surgery!) but if we choose to no lynch now, when we don't actually need to, then we get nothing. No information from a flip (unless there's an NK, but I'm now Scum Enemy No. 1 and have already told you what I know) the night actions won't be able to be analysed (though doing that in general is just a ticket to WIFOM City) and we get the joys of maybe a fakeclaiming jailor tomorrow, muddying the water further.

I claimed because there's been a lot of attention on Moonlit today, and obviously I know he's town so I'd rather we focus on other people, the quickest way to do that was to claim.

I'm not liking what you were saying OSG. Make your response a good one, else that blue'll turn red.

PPE: being on Teneb's wagon is not a defense:

Have you ever heard of the concept of bussing and how it's a thing that scum do?

... hector, are you trying to downplay a power that could have ATTEMPTED TO KILL EVERYBODY? Sure, 1 in 5 of those attacks would have failed. That still leaves the vast majority of the players.
I have some protection against such... but I imagine that a significant number of the players wouldn't.
Query: more players are town than scum.
Opening the nuke box would have been worse for town than scum.
Why are you defending the guy that was willing to risk nuking everybody... for post manipulation powers?

I'm not defending it. Just wondering why everyone thinks it means TDS is scum. We don't even know if he has/had a box.

Also it would be a bit of a shitty game if flabort didn't have something in mind should someone happen to open that particular box on D1.

Not necessarily the best reason to vote someone though. We know at least one of them is town, and they didn't vote for Teneb.

There's a thread for those, dudes. Random Comic Generator. Go fetch!

There's only one now, that's the important bit. Probably fillipk.