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speaking of, Hector: where do you think the mafiakill went?

I’ve no idea. Persus and I were the only ones available to kill, so unless something weird happened that resulted Persus on the mafia team getting hit by the mafiakill (nobody has claimed anything like that) then I think the only possible things that happened are the mafiakill either didn’t happen, the mafiakill was blocked, or one of the people with unverifiable actions is lying about something.

I don’t know if infects or poisons are possible in Supernaturals and I don’t have time right now to check it out, but if I die at some point before D3 with that kind of flavour then yeah, that’ll be what happened. Jim has claimed nobody visited me though, so that seems an unlikely outcome, and would obviously throw a lot of attention on Jim.

PPE: many posts again

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I think Rolan may have just taken things further than they should have, particularly given the topic of discussion.

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I initially didn’t vote because it would’ve made it L-1 (or-2, it was late and I had a long day and I really should have been sleeping instead of posting) on Egan, and there’s still enough uncertainty in the game to be ironed out.

Equally so at this point, someone has to do something to break the tie. I’m intrigued to see what that something is.

EJ, if you think we’re being mislead by scum, why are you voting Jim, who is on neither of the current leading wagons?

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That's very convenient reasoning to not put a claim on the line.

Why, if you claimed your results, as more of the set up is revealed we can see that i) you are absolutely not performing night kills, and ii) you could not be making your results up. Both of these things increase the likelihood that you are town, especially as the game goes on.

But you won't because I think you made it all up and don't want to be tested on it. Which is why you didn't claim the actual numbers immediately anyway.

Fair, it is selfish reasoning seeing as I’m the only one who knows the numbers, and I s’pose on reconsidering it would at least allow the holders of the roles to actually call out fakeclaims that don’t match my numbers.

*sighs* fine. For the greater good. There is 1 Mystic, 1 Wizard, and 1 Sage.

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Oh yeah I forgot to address that.

But no. I think it gives too much space for fakeclaiming to reveal numbers, at least right now.

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Mafia / Re: Webadict's Supernatural - Day 1: The Burning Sun [13 / 13]
« on: September 27, 2022, 12:28:11 am »
PPE: sorry for the wall 8) despite my years and tens of games of mafia, brevity is still an issue.

So EJ’s weird voting extended a couple of hours before he voted me for stupid reasons, and gosh it looks bad. He unvotes here, 7 hours (got extended a little after this) before day end:

Unvote since I'm feeling better about NQT.

And immediately voted Toony for rolefishing in the next post, and the post after that because  he’s voting Town!Tric which, to be fair, Toony was. However, he goes into a minor rant over Toony rolefishing when he wasn’t, and implied Tric fullclaiming in a power heavy game would be bad.

Toony and EJ have a back and forth over the other person voting a townie, not a great deal, EJ concludes voting Toony is good, but changes his mind 10 minutes later in his next post, citing not being around for day end, FoS’ing Vector.

He makes some chat later because nobody other than Tric posts, gets in his own head about Max and says the Max wagon, at 5 votes, is for some reason less strong than the 4mask wagon, at 3. He then posts links to Vector’s posts and convinces himself Vector is okay. Says afterward he actively despises the 4mask wagon, saying that he feels it built up in a scummy way, even though at this point he seems to have come to the conclusion that two of the three people on the wagon at this point - Jim, Toony, Vector - are probably town. He gets asked about what he means by Lenglon and posts this response:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

He implies Jim, NQT, and MaxSpin are throwing shade on 4mask, “building the wagon in a scummy way”, fails to cite any of Toony’s posts in the case he spent a great deal of time pushing on 4mask and Tric (despite him thinking Toony is town!) and instead of voting for Jim, still on the 4mask wagon, he elects to vote for NQT, despite Max,  the other person “scumilly building” 4mask’s wagon, voting for NQT.

Notable also that during the time EJ unvoted NQT, saying he felt better about him, and the time he voted him again, NQT doesn’t post.

His final vote of the day is piggybacking Persus’ vote on me, reasoning “fuck it”. He earlier in that post also says he doesn’t have time to look into me, despite having spent the previous 4.5 hours and 45 game posts going through 4masks wagon and some of the points made against him by others (conveniently ignoring Toony’s case, the biggest proponent of the 4mask elimination at that point) and clearing Vector through her posts.

I find it difficult to reconcile the ostensibly methodical EJ he was seeking to present between his unvote and revote of NQT, and the lackadaisical and homicidal EJ he became at day end.

On top of this, as Jim pointed out, EJ played in Jade Court, the game in which scum!Egan disappeared completely off the face of the earth, much like this game.

So yeah, I was going to look into Jim too, as the teams my gut were telling me were likely were Egan/EJ and Jim/Max, but I think I managed to convince myself the remaining guys are Egan and EJ. I’ll probably do this tomorrow at some point.

So yeah, consider this an intent to vote Egan without actually doing it ‘cause I’m going to bed and don’t want to waste time other folk may want to discuss things, in the case of a hammer.

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I don’t know if EJ was aware of the consequences of rejecting, and the power hasn’t been revealed so…

I’m also a teensy bit resentful of EJ’s case on me being “fuck it”, 5 hours before the end of D1, as I stated at the day start. Just because he didn’t perform the kill doesn’t mean he isn’t something to worry about.

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I think the main problem with this particular idea is that the offered party gains a revive instead of being a meat shield if they don’t go along with it.

What would happen if EJ were to reject your current offer to him?

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IT workers are apparently protected from conscription.

It is Russia we are talking about. Their laws are... fluid

Fair point. What it probably means is state-sponsored troll farms and hacking groups are exempt.

Apparently Putin and co. have admitted errors in the mobilization process, and regional governors are working to fix them.

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IT workers are apparently protected from conscription.

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Hector: I'm repeating the same questions because your story isn't internally consistent. Just take a stand somewhere please. I don't care where, but each time I ask what your position is you change it.

Like now, you are pushing me for my claimed alignment, ignoring my claimed wincon. Except you aren't pushing me, you're just defending NQT. Except you aren't defending NQT, you're just distrusting of Third-parties. So... what is your position?

Make a decision please.

My position has been pretty clear since D1: Do Not Trust Lenglon.

Consequently when you appear to be trying to take the lead on guiding town to things, it doesn’t sit well.

If you want consistency, maybe you should start with yourself: “Here’s a nice list of claimed actions all in one place.”

“I agree with Egan we shouldn’t be trying to narrow down who killed Evil!Persus.”

You changed your mind since then, but still. Actions don’t match your words there.



A’ight nobody fell into my trap, which wasn’t so much a trap as a hope that somebody would slip and fakeclaim something.

I have an action that tells me some roles present in the game, which is what I did N1.

I received three role names, and how many of each there are in the game. The roles I received were Mystic, Wizard, and Sage.

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Hector: So you don't think I'm Evil, you just want to defend NQT. Is this correct?

For fu-

*desp breath*

I think this is going to be a really long game if people incessantly repeat the same pissing questions.

You are claimed third-party, inherently untrustworthy. Do I need to answer the same bloody questions from D1 now too, to make sure everyone understands my position? EJ? Jim? You good? ‘cause I really have better things to do with my time than fucking Groundhog Day.

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Hector: Vote me and present your case for why I'm Evil then. I think your argument is nonsense, you think my actions are nonsense, we're at an impasse and I'm not interested in you today anyway. Right now my focus is on NQT and Knightwing. So get on with it.

Overconfidence in your own abilities, game-given or otherwise, is not AI. You asked a question, I gave you an answer. Given the number of questions I was asked D1 over my conclusions on your spot, I thought I’d make it as complete as possible.

My point was, you made mistakes, NQT made mistakes. Sub-optimal play is NAI.

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Given your reactions, I feel like I have made a misplay.
Yes, yes you have. You needed to either claim this yesterday in response to Max's claim, or to not claim it at all.

Jack: whatever the ability was that you did not get from Max, is the one I copied to you from NQT.

Hector: Evil are monsters, Max and I claimed D1, as Millers should. Max claimed to be convertible, and combined with the Miller claim, I believed him to be Not Evil. I was able to counter him being convertable as well, and intended to do so, so I did so. As a rule of thumb, Millers and others with penalties built into their role get bonuses to compensate, so keeping Max around had the potential to pay off greatly. NQT on the other hand seemed suspicious to me D1, so I checked him for unclaimed monster abilities using my copying tool. It was successful, so NQT had a Monster ability to copy. He did not claim it, Evil are monsters, therefore NQT is Evil. And so I naturally voted him and made public this information as my first post of the day. Why are you chainsawing for him?

Possibly because I trust you about as far as I can throw you, like I said on D1, plus the weird shit you did at the end of D1, the oddly coordinated behaviour between you and Max already on D2, plus your completely changed role which is still conveniently a Miller?

For a town-ally you’re not doing much to engender trust here. Like, you overtly say you think Max is survivor yesterday, and think his consequent super-powers from him being a Miller will be beneficial to town, even though if he is a survivor, he doesn’t have the same wincon as town, also knowing he has claimed to be able to be converted by an evil (or Evil) witch, which he announced in the game thread to everyone?

It’s utter madness. Do you not think that you having had knowledge of Max’s ability to be converted would mean he or the evil (or Evil) witch has some means to counter that, as you say penalty roles get compensatory powers? I don’t understand your apparent analytical strength not being applied equally across the theoretical - “rules of thumb” - and the reality of what you know in the game.

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Is Jim claiming Neutral too?

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