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Would you be affected by Tric’s global attract?

Ah that would be funnier without the autocorrect.

I think people can use context clues to have figured out you weren’t giving me an extra vote :p consequently, I’m denying the rest of the town nothing. Equally so, before your claim, I had no idea what you were going to claim having done, and consequently can’t vouch for it.

So yeah, I did not receive any messages about being vote blocked, or losing a vote.

Again, reticent to actually do what my scumread demands. Power heavy game, remember? FoU had a day action, don’t know who else has one or what it does. Put it this way, I’ll hammer you if you get to that point, okay?

I’m not defending KW. As things stand, analysis around the NK is useful for looking for scum. Toony didn’t perform the kill unless by convert he meant “make Tric flip town after I kill them”, Max has claimed giving Jim a prize, which Jim has backed up. These are the only two confirmed actions.

Consequently, me, you, Jim and KW could have performed the kill. We know I like you as scum, then it’s probably Jim edging it ahead of KW for the second spot, as things stand.

So yeah. KW is not being defended, but deferred. We might be at one scum, in which case I am convinced it’s you. If there’s a mally, eliminating you will still end the game before they become a problem. If there’s two scum, you’re one of them, and we have a (hopefully) unmolested night to find your partner.

PPE: Jim posted. I’ll read it and respond if necessary.

It was NQT talking about adding Xylbot-inspired roles in the pre-game that got me thinking it was based off that list, my mistake.

I’m also not defending KW there, considering I’m throwing shade on KW..? You tell me not to put words in your mouth? Kindly do the same. This is not the only example of misrepresentation in your post:

I presented a case about you yesterday in that wall of text post “defending” FoU, in case you skipped over it. The wall of text was not devoted to defending FoU, it was devoted to illustrating that I didn’t see FoU’s play as scummy, and why you were scum as a consequence with additional supporting evidence. I even suggested Jim and Max as potential partners!

You also specifically asked if FoU was that pigheaded and stubborn, and the game I keep referencing provides an excellent example of such. Related: you were going to go over some of Max’s scum games, which at least implies you think we can derive value from looking at player’s meta, like FoU’s stubborn/pigheadedness and my hatred of third-parties from MafiaKart, so why are you trying to suggest references to other games is of no value?

Did you look at any of Max’s games, btw?

You are trying to suggest FoU may not have been town despite strong evidence to the contrary in a flip, based on Max’s claim that Max’s flip will be inaccurate. You’re doing that because Toony has said if FoU flips town you are probably scum, and I said in the second last post of the day that you and FoU are not on the same team.

!WIFOM bit!

Your argument I was chainsaw defending FoU for the town-cred also doesn’t make sense. A great deal of the argument against it is WIFOM, but just assume that in a power heavy game like this, I am not for high risk, low reward plays like chainsaw defending my partner on D1, linking us for the rest of the game and putting both of us front and center for any investigate abilities if we both happen to survive D1, and I don’t think I have a strong enough scum game in general to survive as lone scum after losing my partner D1, never mind in a power heavy game.

!End of WIFOM bit!

Anyway, you seem to be suggesting that FoU was building cases against Toony in an effort to remove them from the game, but making those cases deliberately weak so he gets lynched and I get town-cred from a fake flip? Those seem mutually exclusive, but I’ll give you the opportunity to clarify.

I’m reticent to vote because it might be MYLO, and I don’t know what abilities the scum may have. I also scumread you strongly, and have not been afraid to say that. Consequently, I’m also reticent to do as you demand :p

Jim is a suspect though, at least as it pertains to his currently unknown night action.

I mean, thinking about it, KW isn’t clear necessarily because their action can’t be confirmed, but… I think it’s still more likely to be among me, Jim, and NJW.

Right, preliminary thoughts are that KnightWing, Toony, Max, and Tric’s actions have all been accounted for, leaving the only people to do the kill as me, NJW, and Jim.

Targeting Tric because of his attract, I learned nothing particularly interesting.

NJW appears to be claiming to have been disabled.

Jim, as yet unknown action.

Slightly bothered by KW and Jim’s claims to be a befriender, though mostly KW’s targeting of Tric since a) Tric is removed from the game on befriending which doesn’t really benefit town and b) Toony claimed what is now a pretty much confirmed ability to convert TP to town c) Tric’s most reasonable choices were to target NJW and trigger Jim’s claimed befriend/infect or the attract, both of which take him out the game, or global attract to be converted to town but also very likely, now confirmed, draw the kill.

This would lead me to believe if the scum team is only one member, KW is a contender, but not first choice for it. However, in the Xylbot list the friendly neighbour is always town so… something probably not worth worrying about?

I was ruminating during the night time of the game, and was worried that Toony was playing NJW a bit regarding their support for FoU’s weirdness on D1, but given how the night played out and Toony’s claimed “convert” to town, I’m pretty sure he’s town. It seems vanishingly unlikely scum would have the ability to convert an unaligned role into what would be an atagonist faction to them though, so Toony is town.

I’d rather not assume there isn’t two scum, given the potential MYLO consequences, but… I’m still pretty convinced that NJW is scum, based on what I had issue with D1 and the somewhat bizarre arguments being presented on D2, like FoU’s flip being false. FoU did bring up that people should claim any bizarro abilities like that, after all.

You really think FoU wanted to live? There was zero chance of eliminating you, four or five people ready to flip me, and he thought I was insanely and obviously scummy.

His play sometimes looks stubborn and weak, but is he really THAT pigheaded?

You remember that quote from FoU I used to illustrate my distaste for third parties claiming to be a boon to town? That’s FoU in a nutshell. Further in that game he was wholly convinced that his ability to sell actions to the town as a third party was a boon to the town he basically claimed being third-party in his first post in that game.

So yeah, FoU reads as frustrated town, possibly panicking to get out of a hole. His reads list was alright, illustrating his PoE of what he thought the scum team was, he just decided to focus on the player he felt he could make a better case on. I’ve done that before, in slightly different circumstances of a cop claim of scum on someone else.

Further, you are insanely and obviously scum :p

To be perfectly honest your play so far on D2 looks like you’re trying to deflect suspicion onto other players or argue that the information we have from D1 is not useful because the D1 elimination flip was false.

If the D1 elimination flip was a wash, and N1 wasn’t informative due to Tric’s global attract, what do we do?

PPE: and Max is being enigmatic. As usual.

omg it’ll be in the news cycle forever.