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Anupodes sounds like a crappy Greek.

*cough*

Probably a real asshole.

There are places and avenues to make political statements. I wouldn’t expect patch notes to be one, but then again I’m not deranged.

Quote from: hector13 on September 01, 2022, 12:41:00 pm

Yeah the human needs to convince the decider to side with them at least. Refusing to engage with the game doesn’t do that

Engaging with the game is a waste of precious time for all roles. Really, the greatest gift you can give the decider is just telling them who should be left at the end.

It isn’t though, since the decider doesn’t know who the player is they need to keep alive, while the human knows who needs to be lynched to win, while the angel and demon need to avoid lynching the human first, presumably, because the decider loses and it should really end the game at that point.

Consequently, the angel and demon need to figure out the human, while the human needs to convince the decider they’re human.

Yeah the angel and demon kinda telegraphed themselves there.

Quote from: hector13 on September 01, 2022, 09:45:16 am

Quote from: MaxTheFox on September 01, 2022, 07:19:17 am

Quote from: Starver on September 01, 2022, 06:13:35 am

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massive ass arguments

I notice you didn't try to use any hyphen making it even easier for me...

This argument was indeed ass.

+1

I also apologize for my part. Hopefully things are better irl.

It's fine, I shouldn't have escalated.

Shit happens, I did the same yesterday a while prior to the conclusion, but apparently edited it out before you saw it.

We’re human, we make mistakes. Sometimes we let other frustrations bleed into unrelated things.

I’m cool if you’re cool, is basically my point.

You certainly won’t stop me.

What was the point in asking for evidence if you’re just going to dispute it with no evidence?

I’m not asking people to suffer. I have provided evidence that non-violent resistance works, even in authoritarian settings. You refuse to accept this.

You even have the gall to say I’m the one not listening.

Your entire argument has been “authoritarians don’t give a shit” then I give an example of authoritarians giving a shit and then you say “well, this authoritarian doesn’t give a shit” without any evidence to back it up. The examples I gave were people going out to protest peacefully, and people don’t protest because they’re happy do they? They’re angry, and angry people sometimes get violent. That doesn’t t make the protests violent. They’re going out with the intention of letting people know they’re upset and want change, not “tonight I will kill someone, and I’ll keep killing until my demands are met.”

But no, clearly I’m the one arguing in bad faith, providing evidence of my positions and when I get asked for more, and everyone saying “nnnnnnn someone threw a punch or a chair so it was the threat of violence that made that work nnngfhh authoritarians don’t care even though there are loads of examples of them caring uujuuuju my authoritarian isn’t like other authoritarians mmmmmm BELARUS2020BELARUS2020BELARUS2020 eueuurfh“ are on the verge of fucking enlightenment.

I’m not discounting the potential positives in armed conflict. I provided evidence that the most likely outcome is the repression will be worse than it was before, and that’s even assuming your side wins. I’ve also provided an example of an extended civil war that started from armed resistance in the comparatively tiny country of Syria, that’s still ongoing, and the regime there is using horrible weapons on the civilian populace there.

You’ve claimed before that Putin will order peaceful protesters. What do you think he’ll do to them if they shoot back? He’s claimed Ukraine is Russia, and the soldiers there are raping and murdering civilians, they’re raping, torturing, and murdering POWs. He’s using illegal weapons against civilians. He has used nerve agents and nuclear agents in enemies of the state like Skripal, Litvinenko, and Navalny.

PPE: you’re too late I saw the post. I’m not the only one not listening. You say I’m discounting the positives, you’re not even thinking about the negatives, the possibilities listed above, and probably more, and worse. Putin’s has nukes ffs. Do you think he would never use them against his own people? I mean, for there too be change, you have to win. I don’t think you know what that even means.

You say you’re willing to take the risk. Are you willing to put at risk every person you’ve ever known? Because that’s what armed resistance against a regime that has been entrenched for two decades plus will do. Every single person in Russia that has an iota of wealth, power, and influence has it thanks to Putin. You don’t get rid of that overnight. Quite frankly I don’t think you ever get rid of that unless you excise them all, and I don’t think complete anarchy from having local, regional, and national government, the entire military command, and the leadership of all law enforcement and security completely destroyed is better than what you have now.

I mean, you’ve been posting openly for at least the last few months about wanting to murder Putin and his cronies. Are you taking precautions? VPNs? Tor? If not, are you at all worried about being disappeared in the night?

Anyway, good luck with the resistance. You’ll need that and a lot more.