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Eh, you had Trump once, you may have Trump or Trump-like again.

This is my main concern from at least this side of the Atlantic. Trump loves Putin, and he’s an isolationist, and I don’t see why he wouldn’t run in 2024; even if he gets convicted in his various lawsuits, that’s not a disqualifying factor.

Regardless of that, Putin wants more troops. According to the Beeb, 137,000 extra, pushing active troops above 1,000,000 when they get trained, which is supposed to take at least 4 months.

Got me a letter telling me to mow my grass by Monday or I’ll be fined, and they’ll do it for me and charge me for the privilege in addition to the fine. This leads me to believe this was reported by a neighbour. All the more reason to not engage with them, I suppose.

Looked at the local statute governing this particular thing, some nonsense about not allowing or pollinating grasses, weeds, or brush that could cause hayfever, emit noxious fumes, or allow a place to hide rubbish… all of which doesn’t apply to the nice plants in everybody’s garden that do the same thing, and probably make the relative contribution by grasses, weeds, and brush negligible by their presence.

My lawnmower’s fucked, not really sure if I can afford a new one, and I can’t be bothered doing this pointlessness at the best of times, and given all the shit in my plate as it is, these are not the best of times.

I generally find making a fist around something works well.

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But what was I playing during Y2K

...with yourself? 

I don’t think KH is multiplayer.

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Russians don’t have the capacity to protest violently either. One fascist has been murdered, to what end? Nobody is being inspired to rise up, it’s being spun as a lovely young lady who was all about Russia being killed by enemy agents because of her dad’s loyalty to Russia.

Assuming that NRA does exist (which is debatable).

Murder of Dugina (and attempted murder of her father) is an act of terrorism with a set of goals 1) Eliminate an enemy who hurts your nation 2) Scare other enemies (it is what terrorism is about). After all, their manifesto clearly says - stop cooperating with Putin's regime NOW or you WILL be among the targets. Make no mistake. It is plain, simple, classic terrorism

Murdering Dugina is not aimed at changing the minds of pro-Putin Russians or "inspiring" them to anything. They are an enemy to be destroyed, not a recruitment pool. So, it is irrelevant how will Russian propaganda portray her death.

Do only pro-Putin Russians consume Russian media? Hearts and minds is the first step in any revolution.

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So if murdering fascists is okay, is it okay for fascists to defend themselves against this mortal peril?

Mmmm, imagine trying to worm your way into both-sides'ing the idea of targeting fascists for having already committed crimes against humanity, as if they haven't already been doing this shit without the theat of partisan reprisal to give them an excuse. :V

Someone has to be the better person. Do you think that’ll be the fascists?

By all means defend yourself against the fash, violence is what they do, but once you cross the line into actively seeking them out to kill them, well… that sounds like something a fascist would do.

How do you defend yourself without killing your enemy? Seriously, how? Non-violent resistance, Gandhi style? It doesn't work when your enemy doesn't mind killing you.

Belarus 2020 is a good illustration of that approach. It must be the most pathetic failed revolution in the history of humanity. They had the majority of the nation on their side, They had streets of the capital full of people... They had numerous police and military officers switching sides.  And yet they failed because there were not ready to fight for freedom.

And no, killing a serial killer doesn't turn you into a serial killer. It is not some Star Wars bullshit "kill the Emperor in rage and the Dark Side will win". The real world doesn't work this way.

I never once said defending yourself has to be non-violent. I said don’t seek out violence, ‘cause then you aren’t defending yourself.

That metaphor does not work. What I’m saying is engaging in political violence, funnily enough, won’t end political violence.

@EuchreJack: The French Resistance were fighting against a hostile foreign occupying force, and their local collaborators.

Equally so, it’s significant that the communists were brawling with Nazis… you know the fascists known for political violence? :p

I’ve seen you make this point about MLK and Malcolm X before and it’s… just… very wrong. MLK organized non-violent protests that got media coverage, that’s how he was effective. He stood by his non-violent ideals despite some of these protests being put down brutally by the authorities, as well as pressure he received personally from those authorities,and that’s why he’s still celebrated today, not because Malcolm X was in the wings threatening violence.

Further, if civil disobedience is so ineffective, why do organizations like Extinction Rebellion still engage in it today?

The answer is not “ecoterrorists” :p

Indeed, I’m pretty sure you suggested civil disobedience as a tool in a thread you made about people gluing themselves to art or something.

@Max: I’m sorry you feel that way.

The winner in the political violence stakes is the most violent. That means when they win and take the reins of power, the violence won’t end, the cycle just starts anew.

Political violence won’t solve anything, it ultimately just changes who gets persecuted for a while until someone else rises up to replace them.

Preemptive strikes aren’t self-defense.

It isn’t a fallacy to say murdering a fascist makes you like a fascist because fascists kill people who don’t think like them all the time. It’s part of their whole deal.

In a nutshell, if it's already escalated to the point of open genocide, arguing to "be better" kinda reeks of bothsides to me.

If you feel the need to reduce yourself to the level of a fascist to win against a fascist, you’ve already lost. Political violence is not just a means to them, it’s a goal.

So if murdering fascists is okay, is it okay for fascists to defend themselves against this mortal peril?