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Though if you're in America, not tap water!!

I just learned that it has disturbing levels of arsenic and lead in it. Which is insane.

Depends where you are.

My tap water is just crap, and was recently discovered to have ridiculous levels of PFAS chemicals too, so now I have two filter pitchers.

That's reasonable. Hector seems pretty town here.

You suspect Jim so you're arguing that suspecting NQT over Jim seems wrong when NQT hadn't even posted yet. I don't agree, but maybe NQT will prove me wrong tomorrow. Voting Tric is definitely not the move.

@Jim:
Yes. Tric is town! Knightwing is mafia! The die has been cast. The coin has been flipped.

Not quite. Basically RVS for me is tipping scales one way or the other, but aren’t by any means solid reads that’ll last the game. As examples:

Tric gets his scales filled slightly to the town side for claiming Miller in his first post.

Jim gets his scales tipped toward scum for the shitposting, but tipped back toward the middle/town for the more recent stuff.

You’re doing odd things (but it is RVS and is “useful”) that are making other people post things but I don’t like that you are townreading Jim when his posts to that point didn’t have much “content” in them, while you were using that in a process of elimination to scumread NQT, who had any posted his oddness yet.

The Jim/NQT thing makes you look bad, but it’s a small part in your overall contribution that’s notable, but not worrisome.

It’s difficult to explain right given my lack of sleep. I think what it comes down to is I haven’t played many games with you or Jim, and you both cut your teeth in a different time to me on the board. You probably both have a better understanding of how the other plays and what that means as it relates to alignments. Consequently you’re doing a lot of work “under the hood” so to speak, so it makes sense to you that what Jim’s doing looks town because you’ve seen it before, whereas I’m working on a blank(er) slate so it doesn’t makes as much sense to me how you’re getting your read. Something like that anyway, if any of that makes sense.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 11:58:51 pm

The important thing is that I am town.

Yeah, yeah, sure, of course, but I'd rather identify one scum between four chaos players and one scum between three law players, instead of identify one scum between four chaos players + Maximum Spin and one scum between three law players + Maximum Spin.

Quote from: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 12:10:20 am

@Jim: Prior to your most recent post, your main contribution was to complain about boring plays, complain about how I was voting arbitrarily while you were voting me because I was chaos, and there was probably something else but I can’t be bothered reading the thread back at this hour.

My main problem with Toony clearing you over NQT is the above combined with the fact NQT hadn’t even posted yet, -though their initial post and vote of a claimed Miller in what is probably getting to the tail-end of RVS is… questionable, as an RVS vote and probably beyond that also - and while I tend to gut read everything, I’m disinclined to indict (convict? There’s a word there I want to use and I don’t know if either of those are quite it) someone before they’ve posted, particularly when they’re being scumread over someone whose contribution was 90% shitpost.

It ain’t a mountain, but it’s a notable molehill.

Quote from: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 12:23:22 am

Also I should clarify that someone being useful is them being useful in RVS, in other words doing things to get out of it quickly, which the shitposting, while fun, is not useful. *banal story about scum wanting to stay in RVS forever*

There’s no time for fun and games in mafia, it’s srs bznz.

But shitposts are useful content and I'd rather have the shitposts over the

I don't even know what RVS alternative you're suggesting is preferable to shitposts.

Because shitposts give a glimpse into a player's attitude and how comfortable and genuine they appear to be, both important indicators for whether a player is town or scum.

It might just be a difference in playstyle. Shitposting might make you look relaxed, but it doesn’t tend to get others involved in the game. A good response to a shitpost is a shitpost, which doesn’t tell me much about anything. Very specifically me, anyway. Equally so, someone could shitpost a few times then read their PM if they’re worried about getting stressed out over being scum or something.

I think asking questions and voting encourages other players to get involved, allowing a more complete (for RVS!) picture of the game.

Horses for courses though, if we all played the game the same way it would be boring.

my way is still better

@Jim: Prior to your most recent post, your main contribution was to complain about boring plays, complain about how I was voting arbitrarily while you were voting me because I was chaos, and there was probably something else but I can’t be bothered reading the thread back at this hour.

My main problem with Toony clearing you over NQT is the above combined with the fact NQT hadn’t even posted yet, -though their initial post and vote of a claimed Miller in what is probably getting to the tail-end of RVS is… questionable, as an RVS vote and probably beyond that also - and while I tend to gut read everything, I’m disinclined to indict (convict? There’s a word there I want to use and I don’t know if either of those are quite it) someone before they’ve posted, particularly when they’re being scumread over someone whose contribution was 90% shitpost.

It ain’t a mountain, but it’s a notable molehill.

I don’t think that’s the best gut read in the world because the conclusion that Knightwing and NQT could be a scum team could have been made by anyone, and indeed any combination of [chaos]/[law] players.

Except me, apparently, but I am a bit slow. I’ll blame it on being distracted by the kid.

What is it about what Jim’s posted so far that has NQT scumlocked though? I get Tric, you’re not going to out yourself so easily if you are scum, but Jim hasn’t posted much of use, however entertaining what he has posted is.

I don’t think voting knightwing will produce anything particularly useful.

But I can park it there until knightwing does, I s’pose.

Knightwing, looking for some content from you, burrito buddio.

Quote from: ToonyMan on July 24, 2022, 06:25:12 pm

Quote from: webadict on July 24, 2022, 05:54:32 pm

Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.

Why?

Too hard to hit the color button on my phone.

Ba dum tsh.

I have to laboriously type out the parentheses and shit on my phone because clicking any of the buttons for it inserts it at the very start of my message.

It’s also nice when I accidentally click “add quote” in the middle of a message and have to scroll through it all to figure out what’s message and what’s unneeded quote.

Anyway…

As a theorycrafting thing, we know that there is at least one mafia member in the Law “team” and one in the Chaos “team”, so we may wish to focus our attention on one team during D1 and N1 to narrow down who is scum on which “team”.

Obviously this is made more challenging by an apparent Miller claim and Max being on the mystery team, but eh, it’s early enough we can flesh the idea out or discard it.

What do you think Tric was claiming, guy?

PPE: wE mUsT kEeP tHe MeTa PuRe

If you’re so bored by the boring plays maybe you can do something to get us out of RVS then :p