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He could also be a dinosaur in disguised as a person on the internet!

Ha! I, also a puny human, laugh at such a concept!

How wiukd a domassir ecen typw? Hq1

There are plenty of people in your life that would remember you forever, some you probably don’t even know about.

You’d be missed around here for certain.

Nobody wants you gone, and if they’re doing it secretly well they’re just assholes, and consequently not worth paying attention to.

Mental healthcare won’t help with shootings, school or otherwise, because the problems usually don’t come to light until there’s a shooting. If you’re not saying the mentally unstable are the problem, what are you saying when you suggest mentally unstable people are the only ones capable of school shootings and the best response is better mental healthcare? ‘Cause it sure sounds like you’re saying they’re a problem when you say the issue is the mentally unstable and the solution is to treat that with better mental healthcare.

School shootings absolutely do happen when someone loses control for a moment. That’s all it takes for someone to decide the best solution is a gun, regardless of whether they do the shooting then or months later. That little seed of “I could legit get a gun and shoot everyone” in one moment of rage is prepared in the next moment and performed in the one after. A major issue I haven’t brought up yet is puberty, during which time there are major emotional changes and the part of the brain governing decision-making isn’t fully developed until the mid-twenties, but a high-school senior can legally buy a gun. All takes is for them to buy a gun, leave it in their car, and have a bad day for shit to hit the fan.

I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em. Nor did I say you said emotions are inherently bad, because you don’t seem willing to discuss them in favour of what you want to argue. I’m not sure where you got that from.

Quote from: hector13 on June 03, 2022, 01:08:25 am

I repeat the point on humans being emotional creatures that only need to lose control for a moment in order to commit atrocities if they have ready access to guns

Only a moment?
But then why are the gun owners still alive?
Does it not take time for a purchaser of a firearm to take their murderous weapon to their chosen point of massacre?

Since you in fact are the child whom I would not trust to answer these questions correctly, I shall do so, for your benefit.
Only a moment? Clearly NOT.  These atrocities take minutes, hours, days, weeks before they occur.
But then why are the gun owners still alive? Hm, I'm actually interested to your answer here.
Does it not take time for a purchaser of a firearm to take their murderous weapon to their chosen point of massacre? It certainly does!
In fact, I am reasonably sure that no gun store can be within 1000 feet of a School in any State!
But is 1000 feet really significant? Hey, an article on that topic! Short answer: Quite significant.

Now, for a bit of theory on my part.  I imagine anyone that commits a true atrocity does not think about it just once, but rather several times.

Wtf are you even talking about?

What does gun owners being alive have to do with… anything?

Does someone preparing to murder others not mean they’ve snapped at some point in the past?

Why are you limiting it to schools?

Can schoolkids legally buy guns? Depends on the state, but sure!

Can someone visit a school with a gun in their car? You got it!

Can a kid steal a gun from a family member or friend and bring it to school? You betcha!

Can a kid bring a gun to school, sell it to a fellow student, then get shot when they realize they’ve been paid with fake money? Fuck yeah!

I could continue illustrating how much of a problem access to guns is, but then I’m probably arguing the wrong thing again, silly me…

Quote from: hector13 on June 03, 2022, 01:11:34 am

Quote from: MaxTheFox on June 02, 2022, 11:58:16 pm

I never said it's good that the steam version won't have a keyboard-only option.

I never said you said that.

I never said you said I said Max said Fox said the said you said we go we go said saidy said sad

I never said nuffin’ or nuffin’.

Quote from: hector13 on June 02, 2022, 11:31:25 pm

Yours is, of course, the only experience that matters.

This is actually a really good point.

It is truly only each individual user's experience that matters.

My apologies to both hector 13 and MaxTheFox. I didn't get that on first read.

That is a profoundly untrue statement, what I said.

Quote from: hector13 on June 02, 2022, 11:27:11 pm

Jiminy Christmas it’s like arguing with a child.

Doesn't realize I was talking about one thing, changes the subject to another, calls me childish when called out on it. OK.

Truth hurts, does it?

You suggested that anyone shooting up a school has mental health problems which I countered with humans as emotional creatures which makes them irrational. You are further informed by various members of the forum that people with mental health issues tend to be the victims of crime, not the perpetrators.

You then respond that this is not the topic at hand, but school shootings, illuminating your childish naïveté, because apparently you seem to think that school shootings are the only mass shootings that occur and there are plenty of news stories of people doing very unpleasant things when they get angry, made worse by easy access to lethal weaponry.

I repeat the point on humans being emotional creatures that only need to lose control for a moment in order to commit atrocities if they have ready access to guns, but you double down on that not being a worthy topic of discussion, as well as reiterating that only the mentally unsound would shoot up a school, as though that’s the only problem the US has with guns.

So yes, you are a pedantic, petulant, naive child that insists only they are right (mentally ill people are the problem); the things they want to talk about are the only things worth talking about (emotions make “normal” humans irrational and capable of horrific things, but only the truly mad are worthy of consideration); and that their worldview is the only sensible one (that mental health care being “better” will somehow stop people with no history of problems, like the Uvalde shooter, with easy access to guns from shooting up a school, as though that’s the only bad thing they could do with a gun, even though the mentally ill are more likely to be victims of crimes than the perpetrators.)

In short if it looks like a duck, talks like a du- oh sorry, I’m changing the topic again, I was talking about you being childish, not a duck

Yours is, of course, the only experience that matters.

Quote from: dragdeler on June 02, 2022, 11:04:39 am

I doubt they went in hot rage. Rather cold determination. IDK maybe they yell a lot while shooting but I doubt it.

That is also mental issues.

Quote from: hector13 on June 02, 2022, 11:24:13 am

Know for a fact, right. Are you going to share your sources on that one? Utter nonsense.

We weren’t talking about school shootings, we were talking about people snapping. You do not need anger issues to attack someone.

Most people do not have ready access to a gun, so most people aren’t going to respond by shooting someone they get angry with, but angry people do stupid things, even if they only lose control momentarily. That is literally all it takes, and guns make it so much easier to kill in those moments.

But I was talking about school shootings. The conversation was about school shootings and how to hypothetically prevent them. Quit moving the goalposts.

So why were you talking about emotions and how you know for suresies that the vast majority of the billions of people on the planet are incapable of losing control if you’re only interested in school shootings?

Possibly because conversations are organic and change dynamically as they progress?

Or do you just want to “win” the conversation?

Blanket banning guns will do more harm than good, and that is what you will need to do to prevent people just snapping at someone. You will get people stabbing or beating up other people in anger instead.

Would you rather be shot or stabbed?

Would you rather be shot or punched/kicked?