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Mafia / Re: SuperSaint3 - 3 players mini- Day 1
« on: January 18, 2021, 05:34:39 pm »So both of you have claimed townie? How interesting. I can tell you now that both of you are lying.
I hate you.
I am currently more inclined to trust LuckyOwl, and I will lay out why.
This post from LuckyOwl:Hector13. If you're saint then you really put me in a good position here. Now the Mafioso must be careful who they choose. But if you're Mafioso then our fate is whatever the saint! Leafsnail chooses. They win regardless of the alignment. However..if they don't randomly pick one of us. Then that means. We might have 2 possible scenario.Is actually a good summary of how SS3 works. As long as the super-saint hasn't claimed the mafia cannot safely hammer. It is correct for the super-saint to stay hidden until someone threatens to lynch them.
A: Town ^ Saint
Mafia
B: Mafia ^ Saint
Town
In both instances. Townie, and scum must be careful who they choose. The Mafia! Leafsnail will try to find a saint slip. The Town! Leafsnail will try to find a scum slip. If we're in scenario A. Then we have to be careful not to do a saint slip. If we're in scenario B. Then you'll have to make me look scummy and I'll have to make you look scummy. I hope we're in a scenario A. Since then we can turn the vote onto Leafsnail. But that's only if we can build trust with on another before the Mafia! Leafsnail figure out the saint.
This is a setup where scum can gain a significant advantage from being the only player who understands the game, so I would be pretty surprised to see scum!LuckyOwl volunteer this analysis, especially when they could plausibly claim ignorance.
On the other hand, scum gain a significant disadvantage by not understanding the game. Rocket surgery, it is not. We are each one of two things from everyone else's perspective, the trick is figuring that out. I could go further into possible means for each player to win the game, but that would be a pointless endeavour because it doesn't mean anything.
Thus, knowing how the game works isn't alignment indicative. I'm slightly disgusted that you appear to think it is given I'm pretty much beatifying you later.
On the other hand:Neither does the mafia, likes eh, but I guess I should have thought of that before being quite so bold...This strikes me as suspicious. hector's first post was correct - it's safe to immediately vote as townie, and realistically it's unlikely that the mafia will follow a super-saint vote either. But what is the meaning of this walk-back, hector? What do you think you "should have thought of" before making this vote?
Eh. Maybe Luckyowl can’t drag out the game if they’re one of the choices on the block.
What did I walk back? I maintained my vote on Luckyowl. Actions speak louder than words, yes?
The thing I "should have thought of" was that scum have much better reason to be aggressive than town, as they lose nothing by being the first vote on a wagon, and could potentially lose the game by being the second.
I considered unvoting after Luckyowl voted, because having two people voting means, from my perspective, there's a 50% chance they're both town, and being an anxious depressive made that wholly unpleasant, but logic/hope came to the rescue:
Luckyowl has claimed to be a vanilla townie, which suits me, because that means they’re scum.
This post strikes me as dishonest. One of LuckyOwl's posts did a good job of explaining why a super-saint would want to hide their claim. In fact, this post also clearly displayed some awareness that hiding your status as the super-saint could be beneficial:
It probably strikes you as dishonest because it is dishonest. Well... disingenuous is a more apt adjective.
I know you tend toward a methodically logical playstyle - something I think is to be lauded and should be how we all do it, notice me senpai - and you're not going to make rash decisions (part of the reason I voted Luckyowl first, though I also wanted to avoid torturing everyone reading this by putting Luckyowl in a position to decide the game) so I felt safe in the knowledge that even scum!Leafsnail isn't going to hammer anyone until they figure out who the super-saint is.
I was hoping to it a bit more activity before bedtime, but I guess it is Sunday.So given this, why would you immediately assume that LuckyOwl's townie claim is real and call him scum for it?
Hopefully I don’t wake up to having been quickhammered.
Or maybe I want that to happen? Oowoooooooooooo
*smashes a wine bottle on the floor and jumps out the window*
Because showing certainty in uncertain situations tends to provoke comment. We have 72 hours, so we need to get into content super-fast. Sitting around asking stupid RVS questions won't cut it.
I voted Luckyowl so they would respond, I displayed uncertainty/ignorance on optimum strategy because I know you would have thought about it, and I displayed certainty over Luckyowl's effective claim so you would have to respond.
Now I'm letting you both know what I was doing, and we can get into some actual meat.
Leafsnail
Why are you indicating trust toward Luckyowl over non-alignment-indicative things?
Luckyowl
You understand the framework of the game, but your comments so far just describe mechanically what's happening. What are you going to do to figure out which of Leafsnail or I to trust, and/or get one of us to trust you?
