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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 28, 2019, 09:37:51 pm »
Why u like her tho

She makes his groin feel funny.
I don't think Kagus would be this upset if it was just a physical thing. The internet generally has you covered as far as those needs are concerned.
Kagus is also aware of the irrationality of his feelings, and presumably has considered his experience relating to her in the last few weeks in regards to compatability.

Infatuation is a silly thing, though something we apparently have no control over.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 28, 2019, 05:44:41 pm »
Why u like her tho

She makes his groin feel funny.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 28, 2019, 01:17:38 pm »
I think my view on Persus was based more on his refusal to consider my perspective on things, which was frustrating. Having slept on it, I don’t think there’s anything malicious behind it, he’s just set in his ways.

Superdorf, though, has made little effort to do anything, posting filler n00btells for the entirety of D2 despite not me asking him why he thought I was suspicious from D1. He made a complete 180 and became very sure of himself when I actually said he was in my top two scumpicks, and is using my play from the last game to frame my play this game as me being third-party again, though has failed to express how my play in this game is similar to the last one.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 28, 2019, 12:14:18 pm »
Tric:
You and Persus had 2 votes on Rgun. NQT votes hector, then Persus jumps to vote hector. What did you think I would do over such a quick vote change when I thought the day was going to end?

Yep, this thing. I ask again why you seem to be trying to build up some sort of momentum on me. You just bolded a question, and seem to be trying to ignore my answer to ask another question I already answered.
I didn't ignore your answer. I said it doesn't mane any sense, since as I already said that answer makes it look like you were suspicious of Persus, not NQT. Do you think Persus is scum that's playing with NQT? If you do, why haven't you mentioned that at all? If you don't, what bearing does Persus changing his vote have on whether NQT should be lynched or not? I feel like there's some kind of moon logic going on here that you think should be obvious to everyone even though you've never said what it is.

I wasn't suspicious of you beforehand, but your reactions to basic questions trying to confirm someone else's claims (which you STILL haven't answered) and inability to explain why you do anything are certainly starting to make me that way.

This is Tric’s meta. He doesn’t like answering questions, and when he does he thinks there’s multi-level subterfuge behind them so assumes the motivation without revealing what he thinks it is, and answers in that context.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 28, 2019, 12:08:09 pm »
Considering you continued trying to see if Kit would trip over their words and claims st the start of the day after I backed off, I’m wondering why you think I’m suspicious for doing that.

Words also have meanings. If you can explain how my first major interaction with NQT which then revolves into you ignoring everything I’m saying in favour of treating me like a fool is tunneling, I’m all ears.

Further, if I wanted him lynched, I wouldn’t have said if someone can show that NQT performed the kill that my case doesn’t make sense, and wouldn’t have backed off on it once DA actually provided evidence from the game to show that. I poked and prodded at NQT saying he wasn’t going to say what he knew about you until D2, and got nothing. That’s why I had to change tack and actually do something.

He voted for me in response, because obviously trying to figure out another player’s alignment is scummy. /s

PPE: Ah ffs I typed this out four hours ago. Response to Persus’ from about 10 posts back.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 10:33:08 pm »
I’ve already explained why I think Persus isn’t town. He had no interest in understanding my position behind scum fakeclaiming a daykill, prefering to tell me he thought scum wouldn’t fakeclaim, which was super helpful in showing me how I was wrong. /capital sarcasm
You gave your reasons why you thought it would be beneficial for scum to fakeclaim a daykill. I gave you a list of reasons why they wouldn't.

You did. Then I tried to explain why I disagreed and share my thought process, and you kept restating your list, as though I were a slow child having trouble understanding a simple idea.

I understand your simple idea, and wanted to explore an alternative, but you had no interest in that, nor in the motivation behind it. You apparently think scum are going to conform to the way you think they’re going to act every single time, and never deviate. Optimal play, erry time.

A question for you: consider things from my perspective.

NQT gave me misgivings on D1. He alluded to having information about you, but wouldn’t say what it was, only that he’d reveal it on D2, pinky promise. Red flag number 1, he’s happy to say he has information the town needs, but not share it now.

He engaged in what could be described as standard, optimal play (I hate the term and the concept, but it fits here) on a guilty claim, voting the guilty party. Non-alignment indicative move: town want scum gone, scum don’t want to get caught defending someone they know is actually guilty.

He then votes for the one person who voted the cop with the guilty result after it was shown to be accurate. Another NAI play, easy towncred for scum, as town are curious why someone voted the cop.

A little later he slides that over to a player who has 0 posts. Sensible move... but disappears and leaves it on said player for the remainder of the day. Red flag number 2, activity is not alignment indicative, and this was not a good place to have a vote at the end of the day. Easily explained away as being too busy to change the vote.

D2, he claims he misread his PM, lol that information I had isn’t all that useful, Persus is my BUDDY. Red flag 3, the information that he alluded to on D1 as being useful then turns out to actually not be that useful after all.

He claims killing the scum player on D1. Red flag number 4, in the short-term, a good fakeclaim because it’s unlikely to be disproven even if someone counters it, in the medium-term and beyond, well it’s a power heavy game so he might be trying to draw actions to him to nullify town powers because he has, for example, green goo or a paranoid gun owner role.

How would you approach trying to figure out NQT’s alignment in this instance?

PPE: Superdorf no I’m saying I find meta-arguments to be bullshit because past performance does not guarantee future results. For example, You’re playing much more cagey in this game than you did in the last, does that mean you must be scum? You argues”d earlier that Kit’s inactivity then active-lurking (apparently dishonest) meant he was likely scum, and you’ve done nothing but active lurk for the entirety of D2 ‘til now, does that mean you must be scum?

How is it audacious to suggest I learn from past experience? Do you make the same mistakes over and over and over, or do you have the common sense to understand that doing something the same way you did before will very likely end up with the same result? Or maybe that’s what I want you to think and I’m doing the same thing in the last game in the hope you think I’m actually clever and woukdn’t do the same thing again.

This is why meta-arguments are stupid.

Why is this even a thing we’re talking about? What have I done in this game specifically that is scummy, anti-town, whatever?

PPE2: well that was a complete waste of my time. I feel so fulfilled in my existence.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 09:37:33 pm »
You’re not building a case on me. You’re justifying jumping on two bandwagons on D1 and a third one on D2, interspersed with asking me about things which are very easy to check yourself by actually reading my posts.

I said you and Persus are my top scumpicks a few posts ago. You voted me the first post you made after that, going from your consistently cagey posts of D2 to being quite certain I’m scum. The contrast is stark.

PPE: you and RGU seem to think I’m going to make the same mistakes I made in my previous game in this one, instead of learning from them and adapting my play if I roll anti-town again.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 08:36:57 pm »
No, RGU is talking nonsense about kingawsum maybe being scum with a miller role, which is silly. Do I need to keep telling people not to make assumptions?

Shakerag: can mafia members have miller role?

I wanted you to figure out why you thought I was suspicious, now you’re hopping on the biggest bandwagon a little bit before the deadline. You did the same thing with Kit yesterday, which was part of the reason I wanted you to make your case against me and ask me questions, so I could figure out your motives. You didn’t do that, prevaricated with filler “woe is me” posts which meant I couldn’t do that, and now, again, you’re hopping in the biggest bandwagon.

If you had been paying any attention, you would’ve pointed out I said I thought you were town before, but you’re not , you’re taking the path of least resistance and look as though you’re going with town, so tomorrow, after I’ve flipped town, you can say “well I’ve been saying all game long I’m having trouble and everyone else was voting hector so I thought they had a good point.”

I’ve already explained why I think Persus isn’t town. He had no interest in understanding my position behind scum fakeclaiming a daykill, prefering to tell me he thought scum wouldn’t fakeclaim, which was super helpful in showing me how I was wrong. /capital sarcasm

Had I more time and interest, I’d have been poking at him for the remainder of the day.

Consequently I understand what IcyTea was talking about regarding arguing in bad faith in the last game.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 08:11:38 pm »
Shakerag: is it possible for scum to be involved in a mason chat?

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 08:05:38 pm »
I don’t understand why nobody has been poking at me this entire game, man. I said it earlier, but we’ve had NQT, Superdorf and RGU say they were suspicious or couldn’t nail a read on me down, but you’ve each made little to no effort to poke and prod at me. IcyTea died before he could do anything about his similar feelings, but he didn’t seem particularly interested in engaging in anything beyond RVS stuff.

Does nobody know how to scumhunt anymore?

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 07:55:15 pm »
Anyhow, RGU, I’n not really liking this lack of questions for me if you don’t understand my game so far Why does me taking a different look at things than the majority make it more likely I’m anti-town anyway? I’m not sure why I’d want to stand out as either scum after a D1 daykill took out my teammate, or why I’d look to stand out as TP after that and a D1 SK lynch.
Yeahh, you were plenty attention-drawing in our last game as Serial Killer. I don't buy it.

I’ve been drawing attention since D1, and helped direct a lynch away from someone who was inactive toward someone who was acting scummy, and we were rewarded with taking out anti-town.
If you're mafia, killing the SK is a good thing. If you're SK, killing mafia is a good thing. That was some fine performance on your part, but it certainly doesn't clear you. You're giving us null-tells in your own defense, and I don't like it, Hector13. (Why have I not been using my vote more? I should be using my vote more.)

Apparently making an effort to refine my reads makes me scum, but whatever. Not sure how much I’ll be able to post before the deadline, but in case this nonsense doesn’t change, Persus is #1 for scum, Superdorf #2. DA is town, don’t touch him.
Well, I know I look terrible right now, but why is Persus scum? Why is DA town?

lol suddenly you’re very sure of yourself when I say you’re at the top of the list of my scumpicks eh?

If we’re going by the meta of the last game, you were town and you were putting your fingers in everything, poking as much suspicious stuff as you could. This game has been the exact opposite, outside the stuff with MaxSpin and Tric you’ve been shit-scared to get stuck in with anything, posting little “oh I’m a scared little n00bie don’t hurt me” filler for the entirety of D2. Every time you posted that I reminded you to tell me why you thought I was suspicious before, and you disappeared again.

You’re scum, no two ways about it.

Superdorf

PPE: now I’m apparently too stupid to learn from the mistakes I made in the last game. Great.

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challenge Jacques
Decline for the moment, for free since I've got a battle pending. I'll have to see how this grudge match goes before accepting.

Bet 116$ on myself. If Leo re-fuses Mewish into anything, cancel this bet.

Attack with Flying:
"Go, Dowak! Drill Peck!"
It should come as no surprise that a long beak and diggy claws are effective against a radish, even a psychic one. In a strange combination of the Ground move Dig and the Flying move Drill Peck, Dowak jumps into the air and starts spinning, before diving and burrowing into the ground. Like a shark's fin, displaced earth shows Dowak approaching Mewish as the strings sound pairs of bass tones with increasing urgency, climaxing in a sudden attack from below as Dowak resurfaces to uproot Mewish with his spinning beak.

I would suggest a challenge for an official match should take precedence over a challenge for an exhibition, but I don’t make the rules.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 07:27:30 pm »
Kinda a odd tack, why would Kit say he wasn't town?

Not sure on the personal attack front, but I never say whether I am town or not, mostly so I don't lie when I am mafia...

No no, Kit brought up specifically that his PM that told him he was green goo also said he was town, and then he started on the whole “maybe we can all win because green goo makes you town!” nonsense.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 07:16:44 pm »
I think RGU was referring to Nirur and MaxSpin as the two scum.

kingawsum was a miller, just in case he was meaning him.

Anyhow, RGU, I’n not really liking this lack of questions for me if you don’t understand my game so far Why does me taking a different look at things than the majority make it more likely I’m anti-town anyway? I’m not sure why I’d want to stand out as either scum after a D1 daykill took out my teammate, or why I’d look to stand out as TP after that and a D1 SK lynch.

I’ve been drawing attention since D1, and helped direct a lynch away from someone who was inactive toward someone who was acting scummy, and we were rewarded with taking out anti-town.



Apparently making an effort to refine my reads makes me scum, but whatever. Not sure how much I’ll be able to post before the deadline, but in case this nonsense doesn’t change, Persus is #1 for scum, Superdorf #2. DA is town, don’t touch him. Any more than two scum remaining seems excessive, but I guess we can’t rule it out.

PPE: Tric, while I said I wouldn’t talk to you anymore, DA is actually trying to figure out if Kit is telling the truth by asking you if the PM you received telling you about changing to green goo says you were town, as Kit brought that up when he claimed he was changed to green goo.

You have a habit of taking any form of questioning as a personal attack or an effort to trip you up, it’s most bizarre :p

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D2
« on: May 27, 2019, 12:32:24 pm »
I’ll at least explain my motivations for my part, at a later point though since I’m busy. Quick summary is NQT’s D1 game unsettled me but wasn’t enough to get a read on them, so I pressed on the only major thing they’ve really done so far to see if I could refine it.

Got more on Persus, so it wasn’t a complete waste.

PPE, ‘cause I don’t make sure things post before I put my phone down apparently: it wasn’t sarcasm, but I did claim to make the point that a claim doesn’t mean anything.

Persus continued talking past me, essentially saying that he thought differently, and refusing to engage on any level with what I was saying, beyond telling me he thought differently. He basically started with the view I was scum coming at this from a scum perspective, and didn’t consider than that I was trying to nail down a read on someone who I felt suspicious about but hadn’t really done anything notable for me to be able to press them over.

Knocked confidence though, and I don’t have time to invest in doing a deep dive on him properly given I’m busy, and probably will be ‘til deadline. *shrug* shit happens.

Still iffy on you too, as you’ve been posting, but nothing with content. You said you found me suspicious from D1, but have yet to point out why. Even just a summary about it in one of your many “oh hey, I’m still here but have nothing to go on lol” posts would have sufficed.

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