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Q: If you put a kilo of iron and a kilo of feathers on a scale, what weighs the most?



A: The crushing ennui of our meaningless existence.

ftfy

Except among EU citizens, ‘cause the government decided that waiting so long before announcing the UK was taking part, meaning the requisite forms couldn’t be filled out and processed in time, wasn’t their fault ‘cause they have nothing to do with administering elections.

It’s unlikely I’ll be able to post before the deadline, given I work ‘til 30 minutes prior and it takes me that long to get home.

Yes this is what I do. Normally.

I'm built for 30 min to 1 hour games. Not DAYS.

You complain as though it’s a surprise to you that forum mafia lasts this long. This is probably going to be the quickest and most ToS like game you’ve played so far, man.

Eh, money where my mouth is, ‘cause that’s a lazy bandwagon vote if ever there was one.

Nirur Torir

I concur. Might've just been that he was scum all along, but I guess that doesn't matter.

However, beetlejuice had to be recited three times before he would appear, so

KitRougard

NQT

This is exactly as fast as I like my games.

TricMagic, Deus Asmoth and Nirur Torir are clear as non-mafia, though any could still be 3rd party. I'm obviously a good guy.

This leaves...

Persus13 - who knows what he knows

Superdorf - scum for voting Tric
hector13 - probably also scum

KitRougard - ? ? ?
kingawsume ? ?
randomgenericusername ?

IcyTea obviously daykilled by Max.

How are DA and Nirur clear?

Quote from: Superdorf on May 22, 2019, 09:44:42 am

Quote from: notquitethere on May 22, 2019, 03:15:27 am

If I was scum I'd be much more cautious.

WIFOM much? Why make this statement?

You can take it as WIFOM if you like, but it's literally true though. Scum tend to be more cautious players, right?

*looks at the last game, when I was SK and was front and center for 2 days*

yeah, scum are all cautious. Literally true, especially when they don't have teammates.

Quote from: Deus Asmoth on May 22, 2019, 10:27:44 am

Now that Persus has claimed not to know what he allegedly knows, do you have anything to reveal?

I'll reveal exactly what I mean by all this on D2, I promise.

Quote from: Persus13 on May 22, 2019, 09:48:12 am

Yes. Can you please stop choosing me for gambits? I still remember you repeatedly insisting I needed to die without stating or having any actual reasons why D1.

I'm sorry Persus, I really don't mean to be cyberbullying you. This is just weird stuff re: my role pm. It's not in town's interest's for me to say why today, but I'll explain it all D2.

It's in the town's interest to know there's something, but not what it is?

Quote from: Persus13 on May 22, 2019, 09:48:12 am

Why would a scum player vote Tric?

Because once Max flips, Tric would be conftown, so it'd be handy to get rid of them before that.

Is Tric conftown for getting a guilty result on a player that doesn't even know they're mafia? 'cause, presumably... actually...

Shakerag: do mafia know if there's an amnesiac mafioso in the game, and who it is?

If they don't, they could've thought Tric was talking nonsense, given they wouldn't know Max was part of their team and thus worth defending. Also, if Max did flip town - as I imagine they would be expecting - they know Tric is next on the chopping block, so they wouldn't need to vote for him until then, because otherwise it looks totes suspish.

Superdorf

Ugh. Someday I'll learn to stop sheeping people. For now, I'm just gonna flail around and see what happens.

KitRougard: You're good with mechanics, aren't you? Get over here and weigh in on this mechanics. Unless you have something to hide?

kingawesume: You too, ya dirty lurker. Let's see some opinions out of you.

randomgenericusername: Heyy, you're here! Quick, poke somebody and see what happens!

TricMagic: Congratulations, you're confirmed town. Care to throw a readlist our way, now that we know we can trust your word?

Persus13: You were pretty quiet during the whole Tric/Max mess. Will that change, now that mess has blown over?

notquitethere

Quote from: notquitethere on May 22, 2019, 03:15:27 am

If I was scum I'd be much more cautious.

WIFOM much? Why make this statement?

Tric isn't confirmed town, he's confirmed not on the same team as MaxSpin. Which was town-but-oh-really-actually-scum.

Hector13: How has your understanding of the game changed after these recent roleflips?

I thought IcyTea was town prior to the flip (yes I know I was voting him, what about it?) and was inclined to think Tric's logic was... not sound as such, but at least made sense, so MaxSpin was probably scum.

Beyond that, we know at least two people probably have a day kill. Whether they know they have a daykill is another thing entirely.

RGU

Okay, so if I'm understanding this right, TricMagic claimed Nosy Neighbor and was confirmed town for getting a scum report on Maximum Spin, which was correct since he did flip as scum. notquitethere also was the first one to vote for him, so he's probably also part of the town and not mafia. Same with Deus Asmoth, I doubt scum would bus one of their members so early and quickly.

Between those that were against the Maximum Spin lynch were Nirur Torir and hector13, I think. Nirur Torir later voted for Maximum Spin too, and I completely agreed with hector13's arguments against TricMagic, so I can see it as him just getting "confused" by TricMagic's bizarre logic. (By the way, I think it's obvious that IcyTea was killed by Maximum Spin's daykill.)

Out of everyone, Superdorf just seems the most likely to be scum. I'll try to build a case against him later, since I don't really have much time currently. Did I miss anything else?

See the stuff about amnesiac mafiosos in NQT's section, since I don't think the mafia team actually knew MaxSpin was a member, so basing any analysis on that is not a good idea until Shakerag informs us one way or another.

I was never against a MaxSpin lynch, I just wanted to understand why Tric made a cop claim hours into the start of the game, and why he targeted MaxSpin, because both of those things seemed to be not good play to me. He gave a sufficiently convincing explanation of why he at least targeted MaxSpin.

Tric

hector13 - Probably Scum. You killed Icytea to remove talk from the town that could incriminate you when or if IcyTea died. Kinda the same reasoning I didn't let the replacement have a Night 0 game last mafia. Oh, and you now seem to see why I pair the two of you together, you always talk with each other during mafia games.

So NQT is convinced IcyTea killed MaxSpin, RGU is convinced MaxSpin killed IcyTea, and you're convinced I killed IcyTea?

Yeah you're all a little too confident in the unknowns for my liking.

Why would I kill IcyTea? My vote on him was clearly RVS, and I've been agreeing with him for the entire game. If I'm town, I have no reason to do it. If I'm anti-town, I have someone I can manipulate because they so clearly think the way I do. It is not in my interest for IcyTea to be dead, either way.

Further, we also know that you and I do not think alike, given our difficulties in expressing our ideas to each other so far, and my astonishment at you claiming cop within hours of D1 starting and having less than half the town present in the game, as well as shooting off an investigation with nothing to base it on. I genuinely think you've done everything wrong so far, regardless of the beneficial outcome for town.

It is banana bullying time in F/GO. Thankfully, I'm set. So, to the read list.

Superdorf - Eh, not much. Not likely to be Mafia though.
TricMagic -Either Confirmed Town, or SK. Either Way, my method is still the same, and there is likely a doctor still around. Max Dying today does ruin a game plan though, good on the one who removed them if not town, and bad if someone else killed them.
Nirur Torir - N/A. Why reference last game earlier, get to hunting. Better than a Null read at least.
Persus13 - Slight Scum lean. You only posted something after the kill.
hector13 - Probably Scum. You killed Icytea to remove talk from the town that could incriminate you when or if IcyTea died. Kinda the same reasoning I didn't let the replacement have a Night 0 game last mafia. Oh, and you now seem to see why I pair the two of you together, you always talk with each other during mafia games.
KitRougard - Null.
kingawsume - Also Null.
randomgenericusername - Also, Also, Null.
Deus Asmoth - Slight Town.
notquitethere - N/A. I'm watching, and that question before another's death is strangely timed. As is immediately calling out Superdorf as scum, despite of an unvote before that post. Voting me is not really indicative of a scum alignment in itself.

Why are you even putting in that you might be SK in your own read?

How does Max dying - ie someone you have mechanical evidence is anti-town - ruin a game plan? Do you not want scum to be dead?

Why is DA only slight town when he was voting MaxSpin based on your claim, and NQT, voting for MaxSpin for the same reasons, N/A? What does N/A even mean in this context? Does NQT not deserve a read?

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hector13 - Probably Scum. You killed Icytea to remove talk from the town that could incriminate you when or if IcyTea died. Kinda the same reasoning I didn't let the replacement have a Night 0 game last mafia. Oh, and you now seem to see why I pair the two of you together, you always talk with each other during mafia games.

Hector has yet to reply to this.

wtf is wrong with you? Do I have to respond to you IMMEDIATELY once you post the question? I have a life man. I need to eat, I need to sleep, I need to work in order to have material in order to do these things. You do this all the time man, do you think people are as braindead as you are? For example:

To note, between Page 3 and 6, it seems like hector was trying to do something to discredit me.

Like here for example.  I told you I was trying to figure out why you were doing something I found, frankly, fucking stupid. I wanted to know why you targeted someone who has been of negligible utility to town in all their games as opposed to... someone who has been marginally useful. Prior to your explanation of it, I thought that was also fucking stupid.

Consequently, I needed to ask you about what you were doing, because it literally made no fucking sense to me whatsoever. If you think that asking questions to figure out intentions is an effort to discredit, then you are an idiot because every other player in this game and every other mafia game that has ever been played has done it, you moron.

He was also messing with others wording while ignoring the words behind them.

Citation needed. I asked you about this before and you ignored it. Fuck you if you expect me be hard for Tric 24/7 and you ignore a perfectly reasonable question which is part of the case you have against me.

It is also bad form that he split my quote into [1] & [2]...

I explained here - in fucking excruciating detail - why I split that, and also to what the questions were referring. I said I thought I explained it at the end.

...and later on said there were 3.

Citation needed.

This as well kinda explains his entire view at the moment.

Quote from: hector13 on May 21, 2019, 03:04:53 pm

So, you targeted DA then, Tric?

I voted Maxspin you dolt. I know you're smarter than that.

Oh Tric you're too smart for me I can't begin to understand what goes on in your head. That's why I ASK FUCKING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE FUCKING DOING FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHY IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD TO FUCKING UNDERSTAND?

I am not going to respond to you again. Interacting with you is torture, and I'm not putting myself through it anymore. It takes too fucking long to parse a post in such a way I think you won't misunderstand it and when you do misunderstand it you don't ask questions and go off on some flight of fancy that I'm scum trying to make you look bad instead of, you know, playing mafia and trying to understand what you're doing.

No fucking more, holy fucking shit, I am done.

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I've not read the last, let's say 15 posts because I don't know how many people posted.