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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 22, 2019, 07:06:55 am »
I think sometimes you just don’t like me IcyTea :p maybe that’s why you won’t tell us who you hate, ‘cause you hate me :’(

Just for disclosure’s sake, I’m onboard with the Max is guilty scum thing.

Considering this, I’m expecting you to be poking the people you have slight scum reads on, to determine whether or not you are correct. Currently you’re discussing a NAI thing with DA.

Also NQT didn’t give the explanation I expected. Slight sad.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 09:15:49 pm »
@Max: how are you empirically a good choice for a redirect?

Also, why would scum gambit a fake cop claim on D1?

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 08:43:44 pm »
PPE: Tric claimed he had to inform you of his alignment to get your’s, so... yay.
Oh. Yeah, that didn't happen.

Well, that's probably the best move you can make. As would not killing me and maybe trying to lynch me later. Or you can claim someone redirected. Or WIFOM.

Well, doesn't particularly matter right now. My role kinda reveals that, and we need to find other scum. So, hector13, why were you preparing a discredit, and why the misdirection of other's words with me as a focus?

I wasn’t preparing to discredit you. Again, I was trying to ascertain your logic and motive. You’ve explained, I’m satisfied.

I don’t know what you mean by “the misdirection of other’s words with me as a focus”, though, could you clarify?

@superdorf: a redirect, perhaps, though that seems stupendously unlikely.

PPE: Hey, gotta make sure posts go through...

Also, NQT should not be he focus here; I’ll let him explain.

Not read the last few posts properly.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 08:14:13 pm »
hector
What do you think my position tells you about me, perhaps also in the light of IcyTea apparantly sharing it?
It tells me what your position is. I was pointing it out because you seemed to be implying that my having a position on Tric's role claim meant I couldn't do anything else during the day.

I don’t think it means you can’t do anything else, but I honestly think it’s hamstrung your ability to do anything: anyone you ask questions to knows your vote is going to end up on MaxSpin at day end, so all they have to do is provide a decent response to your queries and they’ll be okay, at least for today.

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Yeah RVS is shit, but 4 people had posted prior to Tric's revelation. It allows scum to come in and react to it after preparation without any sort of basis about their mindset prior to it, which means they can hide in the noise of everyone wtf'ing that someone would reveal cop D1, guilty result or not.
So when do you think he should have claimed the result?

I’m with IcyTea, he didn’t need to claim at all. All he had to do was stick on MaxSpin, and if Tric flipped we would then realize (excepting things which obscure flips or something) he probably had good reason to stay there. If he got another guilty result tomorrow, sure, fire off the claim, but even a town result means he has someone he knows has clean motives and he can try to convince them to vote with him.

Relying on protections that may or may not be in the game is a fool’s endeavor, especially since there may or may not be abilities that mess with results (redirects etc) in play.

PPE: Tric claimed he had to inform you of his alignment to get your’s, so... yay.

It probably helps that I’ve seen Max perform against a guilty result before... but later. Dinner and bed.

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I recently got my 5 year seniority award at work. I need your guys' help, they gave me a catalog with a bunch of stuff, and I can pick out the prize I want but I can only pick ONE THING:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'll provide detail for whatever is vague, I just thought I would bring it up with the Council of Twelve Bays before I decide.
I gotta know what the heck that thing above the wineglasses is. The one that looks like a cyberpunk visor.
It's quite clearly a fashionable horseshoe.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 07:02:49 pm »
Right.. Hector, at this point, I am not one to insult your intelligence. Mostly cause you seem to conveniently step around the holes in the swiss cheese and call it Cheddar.



PPE: TricMagic

Because I wished to know if they were town. [1]If so, I'd know who not to vote for this day, and be able to lay low for the rest of it, hunting others. [2]After which, I could spend an inspect Day 2 on one of you. That is my reasoning on my choice of MaxSpin.

[1]How can you lay low and hunt at the same time?

What would you lay low for?

How is revealing you have an inspect and a guilty result laying low?

[1]Don't say anything about the inspect at all.

This is the problem, man. You say you wanted to lay low and were like "I CAN INSPECT AND HAVE A GUILTY RESULT" which is the exact opposite of laying low, so laying low didn't enter into your logic.

Despite this not being a reasonable response for any of the questions I asked, I guess it'll do.

First, I strike the numbers you put in my quote. And look, your questions suddenly don't make sense, as the answer to the first was the very quote you split apart. You say it does not make sense, but the sentence together paints a hypothetical scenario where I received a Town result, not a Mafia result. This also applies to the other Number 1 in the quote above, hypothetical town result.

Right. I separated them because I wanted to keep things contextual. You were apparently responding to the questions I asked in [1] so I wanted to keep them together, and respond to the two parts of [1] and [2] separately.

For part [1]: there was no hypothetical, I don't understand where you got that. Let's break this bit down further:

Because I wished to know if they were town. [1]If so, I'd know who not to vote for this day, and be able to lay low for the rest of it, hunting others. [2]After which, I could spend an inspect Day 2 on one of you. That is my reasoning on my choice of MaxSpin.

[1]How can you lay low and hunt at the same time?

What would you lay low for?

How is revealing you have an inspect and a guilty result laying low?

[2]Why not spend an inspect on one of us on D1 if you were thinking about doing it later anyway?

- The part before the [1] in the first portion is you responding to me asking why you targeted MaxSpin. This implies you were expecting a Town result on MaxSpin.

- The first question of the three is asking how you can lay low and hunt at the same time, positions I consider mutually exclusive.

This question refers to you seemingly implying you expected a Town result on MaxSpin, and you thinking this would allow you to focus elsewhere, while lying low. Given I think lying low and scumhunting are incompatible, I asked about it.

- The second question of [1] is asking why you would lay low, following on from the first part in that you seemed interested in finding scum, which - again - I think is incompatible with lying low.

- The third question of [1] is asking how revealing you have an inspect and a guilty result would achieve your stated position of lying low.

- [2] is asking why you didn't just inspect one of us, refering to me, IcyTea, NQT, and Persus, as we are the most experienced players in the game, and it makes sense to me to clear (or not) a vet - an experienced player who is familiar with the forum and can be effective as any alignment - as opposed to a not-vet. I think MaxSpin is a not-vet, because his meta, from what I've seen, is not conducive to effective play as any alignment.

This question was prompted by you saying you were thinking you would inspect one of us (me, IcyTea, NQT, Persus) after MaxSpin, so I asked why you didn't just inspect one of us first. I asked this because I thought it would make more sense to clear (or otherwise) a player that is going to be effective, and I don't think MaxSpin is effective, at least not on D1 if the last game is anything to go by.



[2]Why not spend an inspect on one of us on D1 if you were thinking about doing it later anyway?

[2]Inspecting one of you two does not help with an action I perform without any existing posts. MaxSpin meanwhile, is someone I wanted to check first to get him out of the way, since he is a vet too. You two tend to play off each other, and if I knew one of you was town, that would not help me with the other when you fought. You could be town too, is the process involved in that.

MaxSpin and I didn't interact at all in the last game, beyond my vote on him at the end of D1, which was made so I wouldn't get lynched. Where do you get that he and I play off one another?

How does knowing the alignment of one of us help with figuring out the alignment of the second, knowing that town!either of us won't know the alignment of the other, and scum!either of us is trying to show that we don't know the alignment of the other?

Are you just trying to justify your actions after the fact, and just used random.org to choose your target as well as your RVS vote?

And this is just ignoring the fact that your and IcyTea often end up against each other. It's hard to tell if it's theater or genuine town play sometimes.. And if so, which one? Or are you both town..

Fun Fact! You completely ignore my Answer's structure. See formatting and the Italics.

Okay. I am not a mind-reader, and you seem to expect this of me even though I asked about 5 different people and you refer off-hand to me and one of them with "you two".

I thought you meant MaxSpin, but evidently you meant IcyTea. Please clarify:

[2]Inspecting one of you two does not help with an action I perform without any existing posts.

The above refers to IcyTea and myself?

MaxSpin meanwhile, is someone I wanted to check first to get him out of the way, since he is a vet too.

This is a separate aside to the previous, underlined section?

You two tend to play off each other, and if I knew one of you was town, that would not help me with the other when you fought. You could be town too, is the process involved in that.

This is about IcyTea and me again?

- Regardless of the responses, why reduce the four players I mentioned down to two?

- If you did mean IcyTea and me, why us two specifically?



I think I have done a good job of clarifying what I meant and it still comes out as a wall of text fuuuuu- but I am open to the possibility I didn't.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 06:07:48 pm »
hector
DA

I guess I'm going to lay out my reasoning for my vote here: currently Spin is the best scum-lead. If he flips town after being lynched then we'll know that Tric's inspections can't be trusted, whether because he's scum or because his inspections are faulty. If Spin flips scum then I guess we'll know who any doctors should be protecting tonight.

It disturbs me you appear happy with this being the totality of D1.
Laying out the logic for me supporting a lynch candidate means that I don't want anything else to happen during the day?
What else do you think you can do today having revealed your position already?

What do you think you'll be able to divine about people forming positions from a guilty result revealed before everyone had posted?
Are you saying you haven't revealed your position or something? I can continue doing exactly what I'm doing at the minute; ie. interacting with people about their reaction to the claim. It's refreshing to skip over RVS, to be honest. This is also a reason that your second question doesn't make a huge amount of sense. If Tric had waited until the day was half-done to claim his result what more do you think would have happened? Because my bet would be a lot of RVS stuff, followed by people talking about Tric's claim in pretty much exactly the same way that they're doing right now.

What do you think my position tells you about me, perhaps also in the light of IcyTea apparently sharing it?

Yeah RVS is shit, but 4 people had posted prior to Tric's revelation. It allows scum to come in and react to it after preparation without any sort of basis about their mindset prior to it, which means they can hide in the noise of everyone wtf'ing that someone would reveal cop D1, guilty result or not.

PPE: Tric... what

*sigh*

New post for that.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 21, 2019, 05:46:44 pm »
Cuckold [noun]: FILTHY LIBRAL

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 05:45:08 pm »
DA

I guess I'm going to lay out my reasoning for my vote here: currently Spin is the best scum-lead. If he flips town after being lynched then we'll know that Tric's inspections can't be trusted, whether because he's scum or because his inspections are faulty. If Spin flips scum then I guess we'll know who any doctors should be protecting tonight.

It disturbs me you appear happy with this being the totality of D1.
Laying out the logic for me supporting a lynch candidate means that I don't want anything else to happen during the day?
What else do you think you can do today having revealed your position already?

What do you think you'll be able to divine about people forming positions from a guilty result revealed before everyone had posted?



PPE: TricMagic

Because I wished to know if they were town. [1]If so, I'd know who not to vote for this day, and be able to lay low for the rest of it, hunting others. [2]After which, I could spend an inspect Day 2 on one of you. That is my reasoning on my choice of MaxSpin.

[1]How can you lay low and hunt at the same time?

What would you lay low for?

How is revealing you have an inspect and a guilty result laying low?

[1]Don't say anything about the inspect at all.

This is the problem, man. You say you wanted to lay low and were like "I CAN INSPECT AND HAVE A GUILTY RESULT" which is the exact opposite of laying low, so laying low didn't enter into your logic.

Despite this not being a reasonable response for any of the questions I asked, I guess it'll do.

[2]Why not spend an inspect on one of us on D1 if you were thinking about doing it later anyway?

[2]Inspecting one of you two does not help with an action I perform without any existing posts. MaxSpin meanwhile, is someone I wanted to check first to get him out of the way, since he is a vet too. You two tend to play off each other, and if I knew one of you was town, that would not help me with the other when you fought. You could be town too, is the process involved in that.

MaxSpin and I didn't interact at all in the last game, beyond my vote on him at the end of D1, which was made so I wouldn't get lynched. Where do you get that he and I play off one another?

How does knowing the alignment of one of us help with figuring out the alignment of the second, knowing that town!either of us won't know the alignment of the other, and scum!either of us is trying to show that we don't know the alignment of the other?

Are you just trying to justify your actions after the fact, and just used random.org to choose your target as well as your RVS vote?

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I recently got my 5 year seniority award at work. I need your guys' help, they gave me a catalog with a bunch of stuff, and I can pick out the prize I want but I can only pick ONE THING:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'll provide detail for whatever is vague, I just thought I would bring it up with the Council of Twelve Bays before I decide.

Noodle, Long and Soft.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 05:22:48 pm »
Because I wished to know if they were town. [1]If so, I'd know who not to vote for this day, and be able to lay low for the rest of it, hunting others. [2]After which, I could spend an inspect Day 2 on one of you. That is my reasoning on my choice of MaxSpin.

[1]How can you lay low and hunt at the same time?

What would you lay low for?

How is revealing you have an inspect and a guilty result laying low?

[2]Why not spend an inspect on one of us on D1 if you were thinking about doing it later anyway?

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 05:10:38 pm »
Because Nosy Neighbor does that. Why exactly are you the one trying to discredit the result?

I'm trying to figure out the veracity of a D1 cop claim with a guilty result on someone who has been lynched D1 in his most recent game and the cheeky-meta around whom is that they're going to get lynched on D1 again, actually.

It makes no sense to target a consensus weaker player with an inspect, particularly in a power-heavy semi-bastard game such as this.

You ignored it before, but why not choose a veteran player to inspect, like me or IcyTea or Persus or NQT?

Why did you decide to use it as an inspect before anything had happened, as opposed to making a more educated guess a little later in the day?

PPE:

I guess I'm going to lay out my reasoning for my vote here: currently Spin is the best scum-lead. If he flips town after being lynched then we'll know that Tric's inspections can't be trusted, whether because he's scum or because his inspections are faulty. If Spin flips scum then I guess we'll know who any doctors should be protecting tonight.

It disturbs me you appear happy with this being the totality of D1.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 04:31:46 pm »
You did kind of answer your own question, Nosy Neighbor is the only one that fits, and I'm not even going to try being friendly with someone who gave a mafia result.

There are way too many roles in that list, pretty sure I saw one that said I just gave my role to them..

Right, it's this one.

Friendly Neighbor (town; common; 3+ players): During the day, you can make someone your friend. That player will be told your alignment. Actions: (day)friend

Yeah, not trying that. At all.

None of this 'splains how your role gives you a mafia result on MaxSpin.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 03:50:06 pm »
Tric

Day actions will be unable to be processed for a few hours.  They will be processed in the order that they are received. 
Aw...

Vote Deus Asmoth.




Targeted MaxSpin. Hence the Aw... I literally rolled the random.org to see who to random vote while I waited.

So what do you learn from your ability? I imagine this will be answered by the previous question, but: why did what you learned make you think MaxSpin is scum?

Why choose someone who thinks they'll get lynched on D1, as opposed to, for example, me or IcyTea or Persus or NQT?

Nirur

I just called them all dumb for no reason (other than that they are). Now killing me is not just a victory condition, but personal.
So you know that the mafia is made up of players who take things personally?
I don't see any other way to take an insult to one's intelligence.

But you did just see another way to take an insult to one's intelligence, specifically that because you're insulting a particular group, that people will consequently think you're not part of that group.

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Voting me would deprive you of the joys of having your vote on IcyTea.
Why is having one's vote on me a source of joy? Why aren't you doing it?
It seems to be for Hector.
Last I checked, my name wasn't Hector13.

Nor is mine ;)

nirur How is asking if someone doesn’t like Shakerag rolefishing?
Right after getting roles? Why else would we dislike him, other than "This role's bad!"

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What makes a good question?
I don't know, but there are only so many things I can be bothered to think of for a first round of RVS questions.

Why do you expect RVS to last longer than one round of questions?

Do you expect to have better questions for the second go around? If so, what?

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How will the answers to the questions you asked Superdorf and MaxSpin help you figure out their alignment?
It gets them talking, and hopefully committing to an action.

What sort of action are you expecting?

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Why do you think I am voting IcyTea, and why do you think it’s enjoyable? /oh dirty IcyTea ninjas my precious question you sumbeach
You seem to vote him a lot, and so you seem to like it.

Why do you think I'm voting him now?

nirur How is asking if someone doesn’t like Shakerag rolefishing?
Right after getting roles? Why else would we dislike him, other than "This role's bad!"

Any number of reasons, given it wasn't specified in the question. I also know Shakerag likes the word cunt so I used that instead of 10, 'cause I luv 'im.

Given how you know I think rolefishing is a bad thing, and you think I'm doing it, what does that make you think about me?

PPE:

Tric

Given the lack of talk or pushing, Guessing this will go ignored for now?

You expect a lot but don't do a lot...

PPE2: You're deliberately ninjaing me every time I'm about to post, it's getting very annoying.

IcyTea

IcyTea who do you hate?
Nobody who has a Bay12 account. Let's leave it there; it's personal and doesn't matter for this game.

AHA! Hiding things. Scum.

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Why would a scale start at 0? That’s just silly talk. Zero is nothing, and thus not worth measuring.
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'tain't a measurement.

Zero's a hero in mathematics, man.

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I’d be more bothered that my scale measures cunt, as I don’t think that’s a unit of measurement.
Firstly, it is in fact an occasionally useful unit of measurement. Secondly, why did you use it in your scale if you didn't know it? Why ask the question at all, if you don't know how high the scale can go?

Cunt is a very subjective thing, especially where I'm from. It allows me to see which angle you take it from.

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Mafia / Re: Power Hungry Mafia 2 - D1 Start!
« on: May 21, 2019, 03:04:53 pm »
So, you targeted DA then, Tric?

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