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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 08:21:15 pm »
How many times has Esteemed EuchreJack changed his mind on getting out of this game?

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 08:12:50 pm »
I’d vote for me if it allowed an escape from this utter fucking lunacy.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 08:07:13 pm »

It is also what Esteemed EuchreJack does.

And you too.  What do you think of my claim that EuchreJack cannot possibly be Pirate or Mafia?

I’m not sure I could care less if the alternative is lynching someone based on how many times they’ve posted in the thread.

Maybe we should just forego the days for the rest of the game and just auto-lynch everyone in ascending order of post count from D1? I’m sure we’ll win then.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 07:57:39 pm »
Hector: I hope you understand that, since if my theory is correct you are Canadian's scumbuddy, I'm not the most concerned about losing your vote at the moment. If it's incorrect then I hope to use stronger reasoning in the future when we have better information.

That’s not an answer to the question of “what if Esteemed The Canadian kitten flips town?”

Nor is it answering why, if you want to figure out my alignment, you have to lynch someone else and not interact with me. I’m not a black hole.

Anyone who can comprehend written English can see the entire basis for you thinking they’re scum is their post count,
It clearly isn't. The "can't scumhunt without just repeating what other people said half-assedly like noob mafia" part is much more relevant.

It’s also what noob town do. It’s also what lazy players do.

It is also what Esteemed EuchreJack does.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 07:43:41 pm »
Web: Toony's vote.

You gonna tell me if your case is based on more than post count?
Hm?

NQT: Canadian

You're going to need context for this one NQT, it's not about a scumslip in a post, it's activity pattern. Up until that point Canadian had made a total of two posts for all of day 1, including RVS. Then when I got some votes put on them they suddenly came back with a flurry of activity. In that flurry of activity they listed their top 3 scumreads as the three main wagons other than themselves at the time, but when asked why couldn't provide plausible justification. Then as the pressure dialed down I maintained follow-up with them, asking them to provide evaluations of individuals. The first eval was of anyone they chose, and they chose Elephant and found them towny, which is fine on o
its own but I would expect new scum to pick someone outside their scumteam and find them towny to that kind of open prompt. Then I specifically asked about sofanthial after praising their eval of elephant, sofanthial was being found scummy for mild reason at best at the time, and there was barely any pressure on Canadian at the time. They responded by voting sofanthial after finding them vaguely scummy. Finally I asked them about Hector13, my top suspect for their scumbuddy. They have not responded.
Hector the whole time this was occuring was deflecting people to literally go after any other lurker, and even started the sofanthial wagon in the first place. If the two are partners it explains both of them near-perfectly.
I do NOT have a case on Hector as an individual at this time, so I want Canadian lynched, not Hector. IF Canadian flips scum, then I'll have foĺlow up.

I find myself hoping Esteemed The Canadian kitten flips scum because I really want to see you spin my distaste for Lynch All Lurkers into a case for me being scum.

PPE: @Esteemed The Canadian kitten: note I did not push for a lynch on Esteemed sofanthiel, I pointed out what they were doing in the game that made me more suspicious of them than other lurkers. I have no interest in lynching anyone if the main thrust of the case against them is “has not posted much”.
You quoted this already and responded to the content. You know better than this.

I’ll take that as a “no” then.

What content? You outlined your interaction with Esteemed The Canadian kitten and then said you want them lynched to get a read on me, and you’ll only actually feel like you have a read on me if they flip scum? Why not, I don’t know, interact with me? What happens if they flip town?

Anyone who can comprehend written English can see the entire basis for you thinking they’re scum is their post count, and you used that as their assumed alignment for choosing who to interact with and who might be aligned with them. It’s a fallacious foundation and could be applied to at least five other players besides them.

PPE: jfc this is so stupid.

Esteemed EuchreJack

I have nothing else to say.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 07:25:48 pm »
Web: Toony's vote.

You gonna tell me if your case is based on more than post count?

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 07:01:32 pm »
+a thousand messages so whatever

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 07:01:12 pm »
Is there more to the case against Esteemed The Canadian kitten than their post count?

Two hours to end of day as far as I can tell, I feel the above is a point that needs to be pushed.

So… lynches are important for revealing information, because it allows us to analyze the interactions with the lynched player. We don’t get to do that very much with a lurker, which is one of the most significant reasons why I consider Lynch All Lurkers to be utterly asinine.

We can’t analyze the lynched layers reads, because they weren’t here to make any, nor do we get to analyze the way other players were interacting with the lynched player, because there aren’t many to look at.

PPE: not voting because I didn’t want you to hammer yourself.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 06:00:24 pm »
Is there more to the case against Esteemed The Canadian kitten than their post count?

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 05:30:33 pm »
NQT: Canadian

You're going to need context for this one NQT, it's not about a scumslip in a post, it's activity pattern. Up until that point Canadian had made a total of two posts for all of day 1, including RVS. Then when I got some votes put on them they suddenly came back with a flurry of activity. In that flurry of activity they listed their top 3 scumreads as the three main wagons other than themselves at the time, but when asked why couldn't provide plausible justification. Then as the pressure dialed down I maintained follow-up with them, asking them to provide evaluations of individuals. The first eval was of anyone they chose, and they chose Elephant and found them towny, which is fine on o
its own but I would expect new scum to pick someone outside their scumteam and find them towny to that kind of open prompt. Then I specifically asked about sofanthial after praising their eval of elephant, sofanthial was being found scummy for mild reason at best at the time, and there was barely any pressure on Canadian at the time. They responded by voting sofanthial after finding them vaguely scummy. Finally I asked them about Hector13, my top suspect for their scumbuddy. They have not responded.
Hector the whole time this was occuring was deflecting people to literally go after any other lurker, and even started the sofanthial wagon in the first place. If the two are partners it explains both of them near-perfectly.
I do NOT have a case on Hector as an individual at this time, so I want Canadian lynched, not Hector. IF Canadian flips scum, then I'll have foĺlow up.

I find myself hoping Esteemed The Canadian kitten flips scum because I really want to see you spin my distaste for Lynch All Lurkers into a case for me being scum.

PPE: @Esteemed The Canadian kitten: note I did not push for a lynch on Esteemed sofanthiel, I pointed out what they were doing in the game that made me more suspicious of them than other lurkers. I have no interest in lynching anyone if the main thrust of the case against them is “has not posted much”.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« on: December 18, 2023, 03:10:32 pm »
The holiday period is also not particularly conducive to good feelings.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 03:43:21 am »
Uh… I had 5 votes as a mafioso recently? Something like that. Would’ve been able to get more had I not painted myself into a corner.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 02:19:33 am »
Also, hector13, if there were a player named Hams in this game, how would you address them?

I want you to think about me saying it, and then think about that in an Italian accent.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 01:51:15 am »
No idear, willing to be proven wrong.

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Mafia / Re: FBYOR 6 (17 / 18) - Day 1 - Shots Fired
« on: December 18, 2023, 01:29:28 am »
Mechanical confirmation from three different sources regarding red Pirates, and Esteemed EuchreJack asking who wants to be a pirate among his earliest posts.

His “Miller softclaim” sounds nonsense. The meta around here for Millers as long as I remember has been to claim it first post, and I’ve been around longer than him, so why he would consider that to be “bad play” is beyond me as it’s the only play he knows. The alternative to not claiming in the first post is to play in such a ways a to avoid getting inspected, and - not being mean - I don’t think he’s good enough to do that, and I don’t think he believes he’s good enough to do that, certainly not in a BYOR game with 17 other players. Even then, he says he’s a Miller later anyway, which makes that moot. It comes across as clutching at any argument to make it seem like that’s what he was doing.

The hissy fit had… an artificiality to it. He starts off being bitter toward Esteemed ToonyMan because Esteemed ToonyMan is kind of the instigator, but the next couple of posts are benign, including one aimed at me. He and I have a history, and I don’t think he would have any problem at all going full send on me if he was truly upset.

He also mentions asking for a modkill, while also knowing that Esteemed Jim Groovester has a daykill, unused at that point, so if he was ever truly wanting out of the game, he could have voted him, or just requested an out. The prevarication doesn’t make sense for someone who has checked out, and feels hard done by.

He made a full claim a while ago and I posted about it then but I can’t be bothered finding it as it’s late. That sounded like nonsense too, didn’t convince me.

Eurgh fine I’ll go find it… here, in the section directed at Esteemed EuchreJack. I got ignored, but I’m apparently woeful at follow-up.



I think that about covers it, and I’m done because this took longee than I wanted it to and my evening is going down the drain. I’ll follow along and answer things if it doesn’t require too much effort.

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