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Maybe we should take a poll?

Quote from: hector13 on January 14, 2019, 08:41:27 am

Yeah that seems a little unbalanced for town now. They could lose the game on N1 if they lynch wrong and scum kills, especially if there’s a vig who shoots and misses scum too. Maybe an anti-town third-party instead? This would allow an anti-town influence while keeping the game going for a few nights, and allow the game to keep going if mafia get killed.

I've thought of that, but it won't work. Here's a list of all anti-town neutrals in Town of Salem: Vampire, Executioner, Jester, Witch, Arsonist, Serial Killer and Werewolf. I can't use Vampire, because they're essentially a cultist. Arsonist, Serial Killer and Werewolf are all killing roles, so they're out. Executioner and Jester are minor anti-town, so they won't keep the game going when mafia dies. This leaves me with the Witch. Huh. Although I like the Witch, including the role doesn't prevent your theoretical situation at all. In fact, it would increase the chance of a Vigilante shooting a Townie. Therefore, that means that the only neutral I could include instead of a mafia support would be an Executioner or a Jester, but that would mean one hit against the Mafia would kill them. There's not a lot I can do to balance the 6 player game - town will simply have to play safe, and not lynch day one if they're unsure. However, I feel like including the Witch in the game somewhere now, so I'll put the role alongside the Serial Killer and Arsonist.

Quote from: hector13 on January 14, 2019, 08:41:27 am

Would you remove the executioner once they’ve killed their target? Would they become a jester if their target is killed outside of a lynch?

I'll remove the Executioner once they win. If their target dies before they can get them lynched, I'll turn them into a Jester. Wondering whether or not the Executioner has become a Jester is an interesting conundrum I want the town (& scum) to think about.

Quote from: hector13 on January 14, 2019, 08:41:27 am

Also not a fan of the blackmailer role if you intend for it to silence players. Consigliere might be better, at least allowing the scum to know who’s what without ruining the fun for someone else.

You're right. BM is a bit BS. I'll use the Consigliere instead. Here's the new setup.

6 Players
Mafiaso
Consort / Framer / Consigliere
Sheriff / Investigator / Lookout
Doctor / Bodyguard / Spy
Spy / Vigilante / Escort
Escort / Transporter / Doctor
7: Bodyguard / Vigilante / Transporter
8: Executioner
9: Sheriff / Investigator / Lookout
10: Serial Killer / Arsonist / Witch

The second scum isn't the answer. I think one of the things about the scum side of things is playing as a team, which unbalances things a lot if there are fewer than 7 players.

I was thinking that instead of having scum for a <7 player game, you have a serial killer instead. It essentially acts the same as the mafia in that they're trying to blend in, and it allows them a doctor claim if they get investigated, while the lookout or sheriff can counter that claim.

This would necessitate taking out (or severely limiting) any town-aligned killing roles, because that could win the game for them if they choose right.

In a 7+ player game, the way you have it is good, I think, though my preference would still be for an old school bodyguard - they die in place of their protected target - rather than doctors, since I think doctors are a bit OP.

Another way of getting round having only one scum is allowing them to kill and to have another action. Maybe a 1-shot of each of the three powers they would have if another scum player was in the game, or a permanent inspect.

How would you expect the spy to work on the forum? As I recall, in ToS the spy was able to "hear" what the mafia were saying during the night.

Also I don't like the mayor if you expect it to work the same as in ToS. Again, recollection tells me they are a confirmed townie and get 3 votes. Far too OP, especially if there are doctors in the game (more on this later)

I can't remember what an escort or transporter do, and I think the veteran is basically a paranoid gun owner? Again, perhaps too much for a 1 scum game, given they'll be dead if they choose wrong. Bad stuff.

How would role assignment work? A number of the town slots have repeated roles in them. If townie 2 is a vigilante, for example, would townie 3 also be able to be a vigilante?

I'd replace the doctor with the bodyguard too. It at least allows the scum to get a kill, but it means the town lose a protection role so they can't just do a follow-the-cop-like breaking strategy.

I do like there are fewer players than normal though, as our current lack of playerbase makes it hard to attract people.

How many ICs would you expect, and what about scum ICs, given there's only 1 scum slot if there are fewer than 7 players?

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