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PPE: vote count, please.

Goddamn this is moving along quickly. What the hell we're meant to be in RVS until after D1 is extended guys. Going through it in order, so I'll ask questions that have probably already been answered, but ah well. Deal with it.

Also, wall.

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IcyTea

Lynching the mod might not be a good idea.

Given we can apparently vote for the mod, this is suspicious.

Quote from: randomgenericusername on August 29, 2018, 07:05:34 am

...Huh, you're actually right. I guess that means there's no way to 100% prove that he's town, even with a day investigator.

We could kill him and subsequently revive him, but that'd probably be a waste of both kill and revive at this point of the game. It's a cold lead for hard data, and he reads slightly townish right now.

Does everyone have a revive, or are you just trying to find someone who does?

I get how it might be perceived as a waste of a revive, but not how he's so towny that it would also be a waste of a kill at this point. Is he your number 1 town pick, outside yourself?

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on August 29, 2018, 12:34:51 pm

Yeah, well, death serial killer miller. And 1-shot revive.

It's death miller, too? Even if you're not lying, you're on extremely thin ice, I hope you understand that.

This represents quite a shift in your thoughts. FoU was slightly town, now he's on thin ice?

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Honestly we should just lynch Maximum Spin and revive him if he turns out town.

Before we do that, I'd like to see a votecount.

What did the votecount do for you?

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We know there's 11 players. Not ten. 11.

If the extra player isn't Spin, I might have an idea. I'll keep it to myself for now, though.

Now, now, don't be holding out on us. What do you gain from doing that?

Quote from: Egan_BW on August 29, 2018, 01:00:39 pm

This is the entire reason that I ask to be investigated, after all! It would surely teach us all something new and potentially useful.

Bullshit. There's another reason, isn't there?

The open-ended "what's the real reason?" would be better here, as otherwise it allows your boy to get off the hook with a simple "no, there isn't".

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RGU

Quote from: IcyTea31 on August 29, 2018, 06:55:10 am

Lynching the mod might not be a good idea.

Quote from: randomgenericusername on August 29, 2018, 06:47:51 am

If there are no day investigators, there's no way to prove that you aren't an hostile third party or scum.

If there can be a day-investigator, there can be a day-godfather. It's definitely a miller claim, but appearing innocent at day wouldn't confirm it.

...Huh, you're actually right. I guess that means there's no way to 100% prove that he's town, even with a day investigator.

Quote from: hector13 on August 29, 2018, 06:50:11 am

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You’re not suspicious of the players, but you are suspicious of the mod?

Kinda. I have a feeling this game is going to be very bastardy, so I can't really trust the mod a lot.

Right. But you set out very specifically to target the mod, which at the time seemed very foolish given that there's 9 other definite players you were ignoring in favour of justifying a vote for someone who is very likely to be not all that important in the end.

Why not? I'm not particularly suspicious of anyone else, so...

Maximum Spin

Like... it's a day into D1, any suspicions you have are tenuous at best, but you decide to put pressure on the mod instead of any of the other players. This does not make sense from a town POV.

Quote from: doomchild on August 29, 2018, 01:10:04 pm

Okay, if I'm unpacking that correctly, you investigate as mafia and have a win condition that states you need to be the last one alive.  Why shouldn't we just lynch you now?  Or have I misinterpreted your role?

He says he investigates as a serial killer(-like role), including on death. A policy lynch based on "if it quacks like a duck" is tempting, but not necessarily the best option.

You seem to be all over the place with FoU, man. Town and thin ice and nah let's not let him think we're interested in lynching him at this point.

Could you walk us through your thought process regarding him?

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DA

Hello all. So I believe I have a way around the investigation weirdness that's going on. I have the ability to revive a lynched player, but I have to be the last one to vote for a lynched player to gain access to the ability. As such, I'm suggesting one of you (town for the plan I'm thinking of, but scum can get lynched as well if they want) volunteers to be lynched today, I put the last vote on you and then we'll have a confirmed town player when they come back to life tomorrow. The reason I'm laying this out now is mostly to avoid needless suspicion from me trying to get access to my revive, but the early advantage from having a flipped town player come back to life seems handy.

This is an interesting thing to reveal at this point. You encourage a townie to offer themselves up for the lynch while simultaneously providing a tacit reason for you to not participate in finding scum ("I was waiting for the town to come to a consensus on who to use my revive on") allowing you to avoid much suspicion from town lynches. "I was blocked!" provides a good enough reason for you to not have been able to revive the townie for the subsequent morn, also. A quick walkback on a simple gambit after people show they're disinclined to bite.

Delving deeper, though, maybe the gambit isn't so simple? You lay the work to allow you to jump on wagons at the last minute willy nilly and can claim you're only doing so to save a townie, but then claim that you were somehow blocked from getting the revive off.

Dang. the concept of voting

You forgot the vote count

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TricMagic

I think I'll vote Hector then.

Love you too <3

Unvote: Hector

Well, at least people talk.

Quote from: Egan_BW on August 29, 2018, 11:10:45 am

Bastardry happened, of course. We have plenty of information to chew on now. Hardly just a random vote phase with all this substantial conversation going on.
I mean, just look at me! I basically asked to be investigated, isn't that suspicious? Why not talk about me for a while?

Ahem. What I mean to say is, yes we have ended RVS so early. Partly because this isn't your mama's mafia, but mostly because we are simply the best playerbase. None better.

Why, Egan, it's almost as if you want us to have less data. Every bit helps.

A bizarre maneuver, however, since you didn't allow me to respond to the pressure and shifted it to someone who has ostensibly been shown to be more inclined toward sharing the information than not.

Quote from: Egan_BW on August 29, 2018, 01:12:05 pm

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Quote from: Egan_BW on August 29, 2018, 01:00:39 pm

This is the entire reason that I ask to be investigated, after all! It would surely teach us all something new and potentially useful.

Bullshit. There's another reason, isn't there?

Why, of course~

Well, probably. My role includes a lot of question marks, but being investigated is definitely mentioned pretty prominently. I can only assume it does something. Who knows, maybe MaxSpin was just bluffing me out and the investigation will do nothing. But that in itself would be a notable result, would it not?

There is an easy way for me to find out.

What would that be?

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FoU

Yeah, well, death serial killer miller. And 1-shot revive.
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Yes, I know it's awfully convenient, but there's not really anything I can do about it.

Honestly we should just lynch Maximum Spin and revive him if he turns out town.

We know there's 11 players. Not ten. 11.

No, we know there are 11 residents of Clooneyville. How are you so sure the 11 residents are all players?

What do you think we should do about your convenient excuse that you can't? 'cause you claiming a revive is also awfully convenient in discouraging the town from wanting to vote for you.

Quote from: doomchild on August 29, 2018, 01:10:04 pm

Okay, if I'm unpacking that correctly, you investigate as mafia and have a win condition that states you need to be the last one alive.  Why shouldn't we just lynch you now?  Or have I misinterpreted your role?

When I said serial killer death miller, I meant I would come up as a serial killer upon death.

For the record, I'm not a serial killer. I'm town.

I think we were meant to assume as such when you said you were not scum? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Quote from: IcyTea31 on August 29, 2018, 01:02:58 pm

It's death miller, too? Even if you're not lying, you're on extremely thin ice, I hope you understand that.

To be fair, I wasn't originally a werewolf. And yeah. Death miller. So... I guess all I can do is prove my towniness by hunting scum. Unless someone can pierce that veil?

In this game, that may prove hard. But I'll see what I can do.

Right. No. You say this and then don't do anything, so... why?

I mean, like I said to Rockeater, there's a handful of players that have done something at least worthy of a half-arsed pressure vote.

Um, please don't lynch our ability to lynch people. That would be bad.

Quote from: doomchild on August 29, 2018, 01:58:30 pm

Quote from: FallacyofUrist on August 29, 2018, 01:55:26 pm

To be fair, I wasn't originally a werewolf.

Does that mean that you're a werewolf now?  I'm not sure what that mean mechanically, but I can't imagine we'd want one in the town.

Mechanically? A lot of things. Like, it makes me good at basketball!

Dunno why, though.

You... uh... aren't really trying are you?

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Rockeater

I know you are all aware of RVS so stop acting sostupid, Whatthe hell happend that we should all at least have a suspect now?

What the hell did you miss that you don't have at least 4 or 5 people to put pressure on at this point?

'cause you're thinking here:

Forgot to say, there could be twin aligned abilities that makes you want to be investigated, like investigation of the investigator.

But you think we should still be in RVS? I don't understand.

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doomchild

I'm super confused.  Someone is trying to lynch a town only to revive them later, someone else wants to be investigated, and a bunch of people are trying to lynch the mod.  I'm having trouble deciding what is actual information and what is just bluster here.

Pick something and push on it. If you feel better about it, move on. Otherwise keep pushing.

Bearing in mind we're all watching you and judging you at the same time

Speaking of which, why did you choose FoU to question?

Y’all need to color that red and bold it, so [b][color=red]<name of who you’re voting here>[/color][/b]

Why are we all voting for the mod?

Right.

So... do you investigate as a werewolf because you’re a werewolf? ‘cause otherwise it seems quite convenient that, you know, you investigate as a vicious murdering beasty during the night.

What of your investigations as scum and serial killer? How are the connected? How do they happen?

This game is already on par with KYOSN's insanity. And that's saying something.

I would like to note that I'm not scum, though inspections used on me will probably come up oddly.

Maximum Spin. Just in case he's the 11th player.

How do inspections come up on you oddly?

I personally investigate as town. And as scum. And as jester.

I can get a decent neckbeard, but my face likes to have blonde hair which goes a little bit dirty the further from my nose it gets.

I know plenty well cars are giant metal murder machines- I'm dumb enough to own a motorcycle after all, that point at least is plenty clear to me. Yes, people should go the speed limit. No, they don't. If eveyone's doing ten over, then relatively speaking, you're doing ten under and that makes you an obstacle. Going the limit is safest, but going with traffic instead of with the limit is safer than being right. Best thing to do is be consistent and predictable, and helping to keep traffic that way helps to keep you safe, because heaven knows, there are plenty of drivers out there that won't be.

You’ll still get a ticket if you get pulled over though. The only driver you can control is yourself; just ‘cause everyone else appears to be an asshole, doesn’t mean you need to join them :p people can pass you if they don’t like it.

I guess I can waitlist then.