Bay 12 Games Forum

Quote from: Dunamisdeos on August 11, 2018, 01:40:40 pm

I occasionally enjoy golf

I don´t always play golf. But when I do, I play with my own club and balls.

I see what you did there.

Surely it would be more fun playing with another player’s club and balls?

The weather app on a friend's phone had a forecast for Sunday the 19th showing partial clouds, a high of 20 degrees Celsius, and a low of 0 Kelvin.

Well, technically it isn’t wrong.

Perhaps something terribly unpleasant will happen that day.

Quote from: hector13 on August 10, 2018, 10:14:06 pm

Unfortunately the US has a principle of freedom of expression, and to suggest that a billion dollar company’s bottom line takes precedence over that is cuntishness of the highest order.

Freedom of expression is strictly a principle though, not a policy. If you go to school and call your teacher a whore, you'll get expelled. If you go to work and tell your customers that your company's product is a piece of crap, you'll be fired. Even in cases where the constitutional right actually applies, it's more of a guideline. If you go out to a public park and pass out fliers with bomb-making instructions and encourage people to use them on soft targets, the government will swoop in and shut that shit right down. You never really have absolute freedom of expression, you just have more leeway than many other governments allow.

Schools, among other things, teach kids how to act in society at large. Punishment in that situation is corrective behaviour. What behaviour needs to be corrected by NFL players kneeling during the anthem?

Being fired for not doing your job is sensible, since you’d presumably be getting paid to sell the products you’re lambasting. Are NFL players kneeling during the anthem failing to do their job?

Passing out bomb-making instructions and inciting violence are criminal activities. You get the picture by now I imagine.

I mean we could argue semantics all day, but at what point do we consider businesses right to make money is more important than a person’s right to say that things could probably be better is the point I’d like you to address.

That you agree with message behind the protest isn't relevant.  What if players were raising a fist... or perhaps, an open hand, at a 45 degree angle, in defense of "border security"?

I agree that the Right plays dirty, but the question is whether athletes should be allowed to perform low-key political messages before their games.

I think the answer is yes, it ought to be allowed.  However, will their *employer* threaten to terminate their contract over it?  That's fair game, as far as I see it.  The protest has no impact if there are no stakes.  People losing their (obscenely lucrative) careers over this issue only strengthens their message.

Trying to prevent them from being fired... deflates the whole protest.
Which is still a misguided protest in my *very* humble opinion, but I have a lot of respect for the participants.

You gotta take the bad with the good. If one of the NFL players wanted to publicly support Trump, that’s their deal. If a group did, same thing. I’d wholly disagree with what the said, but not their right to say it. Maybe draw the line at widely regarded symbols of hate, though.

I’m not sure I see how them losing their job, regardless of how lucrative, makes the protest any more or less potent. Aside from that, the NFL find themselves in the unenviable position of trying to please a generally conservative fan base with trying to keep a mostly black player base onside.

Personally I agree that kneeling does not seem like a big deal.
However, I do have to acknowledge that many other people are very upset by this action, and in turn this ends up costing the NFL ridiculous amounts of money when viewership declines over the issue. A massive loss of revenue and upset feelings are not exactly the same as acts of physical violence, but it's the same principle. Acting out in harmful ways is not okay just because you're being ignored.

Unfortunately the US has a principle of freedom of expression, and to suggest that a billion dollar company’s bottom line takes precedence over that is cuntishness of the highest order.

Wikipedia article on the matter. Googling would also answer your initial question, particularly considering it’s been going on for two years.

Also re: people being offended by players kneeling, apparently engaging in unpatriotic behaviour: do you think the US should be proud of the way the police deal with black people and minorities? D you think the US should be proud that black folks have to hold seminars to teach their kids how to deal with the police? Do you think that the US should be proud that the police- “to serve and protect” - kill more people in the US in a year than some countries have in decades?

Post before my phone battery runs out. I don’t have the rhetorical ability to adequately articulate how ridiculous I find this discussion.

Wasn’t Satan a creation of God, too? ‘cause that seems like a big deal.

Cormac frowns slightly.

“What the heck they shootin’ at in there?”

The bandits must still be headed to the engine car, it’s the only thing that makes sense...

He gets the attention of the engineer and other crewmen, pointing with his gun to the one that just ran in.

“You know this man?”

Also, see if I can divine anything just by the look of him.

Quote from: hector13 on August 09, 2018, 09:00:56 pm

I spent £35 buying Conker’s Bad Fur Day for the N64 a few years ago.

Shit.

...You wanna sell to me?

How much? :p

I spent £35 buying Conker’s Bad Fur Day for the N64 a few years ago.