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Not the best choice of night kill, scumbucket; he was a tough read.

Remain chill, peeps. /puns

I need to check whether Norn Ireland votes Remain. I know two voted to stay and two voted to leave, but it’s morning-time. Not the best time for arguing about politics, but ah well.

Pfft, try doing that while trying to win a race. /road rash master race /no pun intended

Quote from: hector13 on July 14, 2018, 06:43:32 am

12th of July is the date that Billy of Orange beat the Catholics up centuries ago, some members of the Orange Order - a Protestant organisation that doesn’t like Catholics - like to celebrate that by marching through Catholic neighboirhoods singing anti-Catholic songs, some Republicans don’t appreciate that. Violence ensues.

Wow, you love the republican side.

Anyway, for a slightly more balanced account of what happened in Londonderry: the Orange Order marched on the Thursday. A nationalist crowd attempted violence in the city centre but was prevented by the police. That evening and the following day... gangs of nationalists attempt to kill police officers.

I actually only know this from the article you yourself linked:

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A Twelfth of July parade passed off peacefully in Derry on Thursday, although police in riot gear separated a group of nationalists from the return parade as it made its way through the Diamond in the city centre.

Attacks began early in the evening and continued into the early hours of Friday morning.

Petrol bombs were thrown towards police Land Rovers and at officers on the ground

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it is clear that this is being orchestrated by a more sinister, adult, violent dissident republican element.

All of which seems to suggest that the riot wasn't because the nasty bogeymen Orangemen riled up the otherwise peaceful republicans. It was because violent republicans wanted to stir up yet more sectarian hate - a sin of which the Loyalist side is by no means innocent either.

I understand the desire to utilise populism and its associated buzzwords in an argument, hector, but please do not try to present it as a definitive and all encompassing account to those who ask for... well, information.

As an aside, I've yet to hear an Orange parade sing sectarian songs. This possibly stems from the fact that I have not seen a contested parade. Largely, however, I suspect that it is because most (possibly all?) are instrumental and lacking the necessary vocal component.

I linked no article, I assume you refer to redwallzyl.

I appreciate what I said wasn’t clear, in that it was intended as a general comment on the situation in Northern Ireland - that is so happily split along political and religious lines, and there are fools on both sides - as opposed to the specific situation that was being discussed.

As for examples of sectarian nonsense, stuff on the eleventh and a refusal to reroute despite sectarian attacks on Catholics ‘cause apparently the Protestant right to freedom of expression is more important than the Catholic right to practice without fear of intimidation. Perhaps the Orangemen feel that a march is pointless if they don’t remind the losers, 300 years hence, that they lost?

Two stories of both sides being arses though: I used to work with a Catholic (Celtic fan, Green Brigade) who didn’t even blink at the irony of labeling all Protestants bigots, and my mother’s partner (Catholic, believer but not sure if practicing) used to be a police officer, and told the story of a colleague who was once called to his school because his young son had been suspended after shouting “ARE YOU A PAPE!?” at a fellow student before head-butting them in the face.

What if what you say doesn’t baffle?

We're not abstaining though. The only votes today have been for MaxSpin. The only reason you've been bringing up people not voting is because you don't want to jeopardise this gambit you've thrown yourself and your team into, which could feasibly happen if there aren't that many people voting for one of you.

fackin' overachievers man.

Millennium hand and shrimp.