Half want a 2-state solution based on 1967 borders, actually, and 62% think Hamas should have maintained the ceasefire.
From the river to the sea, indeed.
Indeed - https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf
There is more than one poll, you know? And July 2023 is kinda of outdated now, "stuff" happened.
You’re right. Maybe you should try reading the poll you posted?
Before we get started,
here’s a survey which was completed in Gaza which shows little support for Hamas, blames Hamas for the problems in Gaza, favoures a two-state solution, and favoirs peace. If you read anything out of that, read the last paragraph of page 12 and page 13. You complain that Israel pausing the conflict to have their hostages released will cause problems in the long-run? So will continuing the conflict.
Note: if you’re not interested in reading the following wall of text, my main points are between 33-36, 39-40, and 55-58.The survey you posted was conducted between October 31st and November 7th, 3-4 weeks after Israel started bombing the ever loving shit out of Gaza. This is relevant.
Up to table 8 is a breakdown of the demographics of the respondents.
Tables 9-18 ask about whether or not their conviction for various things like peace or a two-state solution has increased or decreased.
19-22 is whether or not they think people will forgive and forget Israel for their actions during the war. A lot say no, but after weeks of having bombs dropped on them and/or friends and/or family, that’s a given.
Up to 26 is how proud they are to be Palestinian, and whether or not they think Palestine or Israel will win.
Tables 27 and 28 support you. Huge support for Hamas’ actions on October 7th, but maybe also take that with a pinch of salt given that the respondents will have been under an intense bombing campaign for 3-4 weeks by the time they got asked by these guys.
29 and 30 are how they feel about various organizations. A lot feel positive Hamas and various other unpleasant people who are shooting back at Israel (is that correlated? I would imagine so, if someone drops bombs indiscriminately on you you’ll probably feel okay about the people shooting back, but that’s conjecture on my part) and not a lot of support for anyone else, including Israel, US, UK, EU, China, Russia, various Arabic nations and the media, as well as the Red Cross.
31 and 32 are why they think Hamas attacked on October 7th. Top answers were to stop violations of Aqsa at 35% and to free Palestine at 29%.
Table 33 and 34. Supports your position that Palestinians want the extermination of all the Jews, a whopping 75% say they don’t want a one or two state solution, they want Palestine from the river to the sea. A fuckhuge caveat on this one though, though I suspect you will completely ignore it in favour of “bUt ThE BaDdIeS SaY iT tO MeAn ElImInAtE dA JoOs”.
see tables 35-36, 39-40, 55-56, 57-5835-36 is how they expect the war to end. About 3/4 of respondents think victory liberates Gaza. Not all that interesting on its own, but see 57-58 for relevance.
37-38 do you feel hopefully for the future given demonstrations of support for Palestine, very surprisingly the answer is yes.
39 and 40.
64% of respondents think the war is between Israel and Palestinians, versus 19% saying it’s Israel versus Hamas. It’s almost as though they resent having bombs dropped on them, or being told to move for their own safety
and then having bombs dropped on them.
41 and 42 is why they think the West supports Israel. Mostly perceived anti-Muslim/Arab sentiment, Israeli influence, sympathy for Israeli civilians, and economic interests.
43-54 where do you get your information. Probably irrelevant.
55-56 preferred government is 72% national unity, presumably between Hamas and the PA, because those are the only two options. Almost as though they think either side individually isn’t very good. Not what you would expect for your assertion of massive support for Hamas, is it?
57-58. 83% of respondents would support a ceasefire which involves mutual cessation of hostilities. This does not fit with your assertion Palestinians hate the Jews. They think the war is Israel against Palestinians, they have justifiable excuse (from that perspective) to attack and kill Jews, and they think a victory will liberate Gaza from Israeli control BUT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY SUPPORT AN END TO HOSTILITIES. Square that circle for me, Batman. From the river to the sea…
59 and beyond is for Gazans only. I’ll cherry pick because I think the point has already been made, but there’s supporting stuff here.
61, do you trust Israeli instructions? 19% say not really, 72% say FUCK NO.
62, if you were told to evacuate do you know where you’d go? 84% say no.
63, out of 277 respondents, 276 said there is no safe place in Gaza for them and their family.
TL;dr read your source, it does not support your position. Quite the opposite, in fact.
If I'm honest then, you might need to reread how you write things - It definitely came across as an attempt at justification. At least to me.
The thing is that I am consistent in this thread. I am going against people like Hector13 who push for a very simple idea " Israel is evil incarnate, nasty colonizers doing war crimes for lulz. And Palestinians are innocent victims who just want peace except HAMAS but HAMAS isn't Palestinian fault, it is created by actions of the evil Jews"
Yes, you have consistently ignored evidence contrary to your own position and made assertions without evidence of your own, as evidenced by your inability to read your own source, and your idiotic assertion I’m blaming “evil Jews”.
I’d really quite like you to quote when I’ve blamed the “evil Jews” because you’ve lost all credibility by posting what a reasonable person would consider a very significant misrepresentation of someone’s position.
