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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Time Drags On...
« on: June 28, 2018, 08:01:00 pm »
*watches it go sailing over his head and fall on the floor*
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Time Drags On...
« on: June 28, 2018, 07:56:05 pm »
Well not really, since your first move has been to prevaricate and then say you’ll do something later, after two entire phases of play.
This does not paint you in the best light.
Policy lynches galore guys. We got a policy lynch the Miller guy, we got a policy lynch the lurker guy, and I imagine at some point we’ll have a policy lynch the guy making empty posts guy.
This does not paint you in the best light.
Policy lynches galore guys. We got a policy lynch the Miller guy, we got a policy lynch the lurker guy, and I imagine at some point we’ll have a policy lynch the guy making empty posts guy.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 28, 2018, 03:19:21 pm »
Cpuld broadly discuss night actions, like what any particular role should do in a non-specific sense. Probably a good idea if we’re teaching or whatevs.
But the Extend should go through, so I’d rather not start that discussion quite yet.
Not a fan of policy lynching
But the Extend should go through, so I’d rather not start that discussion quite yet.
Not a fan of policy lynching
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Other Games / Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« on: June 28, 2018, 02:32:23 pm »
You’re taking this awfully seriously.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 28, 2018, 02:11:46 pm »Right.
hector13: Town. Not as active as I'd expect, but that doesn't mean much.
Starver: Null. The asking to visit is odd, but that could mean anything.
blueturtle1134: Slight town. They aren't scum, I feel, and there isn't much against them.
TricMagic: Miller, huh?
IcyTea31: Null. They have observations, but nothing conclusive.
juicebox: Scum. I'd probably vote them, if not for Tric's miller claim.
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Maybe a bit lurky.
mightymushroom: Strong town. Very involved.
darkwarlock3: Null. Not a lot to work with, huh?
Maximum Spin: Town. They're focused on scumhunting, and would probably be a good choice to take charge of things.
I'm not one for the chaos of Day 1, but Tric's behavior tells me that they're a good D1 lynch, and we do need some info.
For all that, though, my vote right now is BlackHeartKabal:So, a D1 Miller claim being, as you admitted, a policy lynch isn't enough for you? Then no persuading on my end would convince me to lynch what comes off as your partner here anyway. I don't see any other reason someone, from your position, would ignore that.
You're practically lurking, or should I say lurking practically? Policy lynching the miller is an easy way to appear present without committing yourself to personal interaction.
I just said that I see potentially scummy things in TricMagic's posts. Can you persuade me that they really are scummy, enough so to get me to change my vote?
You said earlier that MM was strong town in your reads list, and from this quote he now appears to be your top scumpick outside of voting for a claimed Miller, correct?
Well then, BHK makes a point. You will die at some point, the earlier the better.Here I was thinking that this would be more open and shut. It's a miller. The entire point of a miller is that their quality impedes the town by giving a false positive to mechanical investigations. Because of this, miller is an amazing claim for scum because it, again, gives them an impenetrable excuse for their alignment flickering red to any cop that happens to stop by.
However, D1 lynch, in my opinion, needs to be informative. The only information we get from lynching TricMagic is whether or not he was lying. Not good enough.
If we have a vigilante or something, they can shoot him. If he’s alive tomorrow, we lynch him then.
If he's scum - investigate pops red.
If he's miller - investigate pops red.
You see how that works? We literally can't confirm what they are unless we kill them or the game ends, because of the uncertainty that being a miller forces. They're an anomaly, and they're the most dangerous anomaly to leave alive for the end, especially since we don't even have a confirmation of the number of mafia or thirds.
I'm not one for D1's chaos, so of course something as important to pursue as a miller claim would be important to me. Because that miller offers certainty. It's certainty of uncertainty, yes, but it's still certainty. It's outright the most optimal move for anyone with a town wincon to make. To the point that I believe that anyone not pursuing this is either not thinking optimally, or doesn't have a town wincon. If I have to die for the town to start putting the miller and their defenders to the wall, then very well. Just because we aren't taking the current best plan doesn't mean we can't take the best plan for the next change in situation.
Y'see, this is why I'm voting you right now.
Tric softed his Miller claim in literally the very first post a player made in the game - probably the optimum play for a Miller, by the way - and... you seem to think that's enough for D1?
'cause, I mean, you've made six posts: a carbon copy of IcyTea's reads, then the rest saying the death of Tric should be our top priority. No effort to find Tric's partner if he's fakeclaiming (a bold fakeclaim in your fifth mafia game and first on a new forum, unless he's fibbing) or any other scum if he's not, so I don't understand why you've voted to extend if you're not particularly interested in finding someone else to vote for.
Moony: Why are you lurking and not taking part?
blueturtle:
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 28, 2018, 07:51:07 am »
D’we get regular extensions as well? ‘cause I want to extend but not use my personal one on D1.
Extend! Not personal!
Extend! Not personal!
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 27, 2018, 07:35:45 pm »
Depends on how much that person was interacting with others really. You know their alignment, so you can analyse the interactions they had with other people, and the interactions other people had with them.
I guess my major contention is that Tric's lynch is basically an argument around the mechanics of a Miller (Miller, for those who are unaware, is a role that means the person will investigate as mafia, regardless of their alignment) rather than anything content-wise, which doesn't tell us anything about the interactions (specifically around the votes) that other people have with Tric.
I guess my major contention is that Tric's lynch is basically an argument around the mechanics of a Miller (Miller, for those who are unaware, is a role that means the person will investigate as mafia, regardless of their alignment) rather than anything content-wise, which doesn't tell us anything about the interactions (specifically around the votes) that other people have with Tric.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 27, 2018, 05:20:02 pm »
Well then, BHK makes a point. You will die at some point, the earlier the better.
However, D1 lynch, in my opinion, needs to be informative. The only information we get from lynching TricMagic is whether or not he was lying. Not good enough.
If we have a vigilante or something, they can shoot him. If he’s alive tomorrow, we lynch him then.
However, D1 lynch, in my opinion, needs to be informative. The only information we get from lynching TricMagic is whether or not he was lying. Not good enough.
If we have a vigilante or something, they can shoot him. If he’s alive tomorrow, we lynch him then.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 27, 2018, 05:11:39 pm »
He also claimed to be a Gunsmith. Which claim do you think is accurate?
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 27, 2018, 02:52:15 pm »
blueturtle
These two posts are kinda contradictory. In the first one you're all "well, he's probably scum" and the second one you're all "well, he's probably town" which... I'm not sure what you're getting at?
'cause you're presently voting for someone you're not sure about, and you're not - ostensibly - trying to be more sure about it.
TricMagic
I am feeling charitable for the moment, mostly because I like where you're going re:BHK, so I will...
Unvote
... and hope to see some more of this, though perhaps with less panic. Follow up and all that.
Anyhow, just as an aside rather than anything else, how much experience of mafia do you have?
BHK
I mean, these look almost identical. Minor variations and IcyTea thinking Starver's a TP aside, anyway. To be brutally honest it looks like you're dropping an OMGUS and using IcyTea's readslist to pretty it up.
For IcyTea too: What's so scummy about TricMagic (soft)claiming Miller, particularly when it was done in their very first post?
MM
Nah, that was something of a random vote as well. Turned into a bandwagon very quickly over very little, though; I'd be willing to be there's at least 1 scum among the people what were jumping on that, at least on D1.
PPE: Max Spin post.
blergh.
Seems to me like Icy voted BlackHeart because he was lurking and Tric voted him with no good reason other than a reference to an earlier post about this being pacifist mafia. Neither person referenced bandwagoning, correct me if I'm wrong.Nonono, you did.Vote TricMagic, for [...] quickly bandwagoning [...]
I just thought that was ironic.
Oh yes, I was bandwagoning on the last guy to suspect him for giving SK a gun:Well first I'd like to say that I am a jester
Secondly, TricMagic is scum, town would never offer an SK a gun.
Well see, when that was posted I didn't think that was enough evidence, because that could just be an early-game joke (we were all making them) but then he proceeded to make a bunch more slightly humorous but not actually useful observations, and to bandwagon on something with no better reason than "I want to vote." That's really why I voted him.The last post feels very disconcerting, like turtle is trying to defend someone or something like that..?
... but it’s late and bedtime so I’ll deal with it at some other point. Probably.
Oh wait yeah, instantly saying that your vote likely won't turn up anything is scummy
Specifically, the characteristics I noticed (making bad jokes, voting for sake of voting, bandwagoning) could be poor town play or poor scum play, but I feel it's more likely it's poor scum play.TricMagic: Scum. Claims both miller and gunsmith and hasn't yet defended against accusations. I would like to hear more of them, as a brilliant jester is a possibility.
I don't think he claimed anything...? That was in the early phase when we were joking about claims, something that he started and thus would be aware of. The fact that he's not responding toRemind me, is Jester win an instant lose for Town?quick google says usually not - so it isn't catastrophic if we lynch Jester, anyway.
Hm. One the one hand, bandwagoning someone when an explicit part of the reasoning is that person having bandwagoned someone else is a little off. On the other hand, TricMagic actually does look suspicious.
Ehhhhh, I'll go for it, TricMagic, but if he(?) flips town, I've got your number, turtle.
To be fair, he's still likely to flip town. This is still random vote stage. Brace for disappointment.
These two posts are kinda contradictory. In the first one you're all "well, he's probably scum" and the second one you're all "well, he's probably town" which... I'm not sure what you're getting at?
'cause you're presently voting for someone you're not sure about, and you're not - ostensibly - trying to be more sure about it.
TricMagic
I am feeling charitable for the moment, mostly because I like where you're going re:BHK, so I will...
Unvote
... and hope to see some more of this, though perhaps with less panic. Follow up and all that.
Anyhow, just as an aside rather than anything else, how much experience of mafia do you have?
BHK
Right.
hector13: Town. Not as active as I'd expect, but that doesn't mean much.
Starver: Null. The asking to visit is odd, but that could mean anything.
blueturtle1134: Slight town. They aren't scum, I feel, and there isn't much against them.
TricMagic: Miller, huh?
IcyTea31: Null. They have observations, but nothing conclusive.
juicebox: Scum. I'd probably vote them, if not for Tric's miller claim.
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Maybe a bit lurky.
mightymushroom: Strong town. Very involved.
darkwarlock3: Null. Not a lot to work with, huh?
Maximum Spin: Town. They're focused on scumhunting, and would probably be a good choice to take charge of things.
I'm not one for the chaos of Day 1, but Tric's behavior tells me that they're a good D1 lynch, and we do need some info.
These are first impressions, based on very incomplete data. They are very much subject to change as I learn more.
hector13: Slight town. Scumhunting, but not as actively as my meta of one game would expect.
Starver: Third-party. Asking to be visited is a soft giveaway, and is suspicious but not quite scummy in my mind.
blueturtle1134: Town. Started a not-too-suspicious wagon, though I have some reservations.
TricMagic: Scum. Claims both miller and gunsmith and hasn't yet defended against accusations. I would like to hear more of them, as a brilliant jester is a possibility.
IcyTea31: Myself. Can't say a lot here, except that I'm town.
BlackHeartKabal: Null. Still lurking.
juicebox: Slight scum. Under the radar; has posted several times, but only to defend themself and to claim that at this point we need a 'good reason' to vote for someone.
MoonyTheHuman: Null. Under the radar, with little content.
mightymushroom: Town. Logical and focused play.
darkwarlock3: Null. Still lurking.
Maximum Spin: Strong town. Scumhunting, with jokes to make it less obvious.
I mean, these look almost identical. Minor variations and IcyTea thinking Starver's a TP aside, anyway. To be brutally honest it looks like you're dropping an OMGUS and using IcyTea's readslist to pretty it up.
For IcyTea too: What's so scummy about TricMagic (soft)claiming Miller, particularly when it was done in their very first post?
MM
hector13, then: you and IcyTea are the two who switched off their previous vote to get on the wagon.* Granted both were weak RVS votes, but you apparently feel stronger than I do. Do you have anything that would convince me better than quoting blueturtle?
Nah, that was something of a random vote as well. Turned into a bandwagon very quickly over very little, though; I'd be willing to be there's at least 1 scum among the people what were jumping on that, at least on D1.
PPE: Max Spin post.
blergh.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 27, 2018, 01:16:13 pm »
Need to read a few things, will wait ‘til I get to a computer, which’ll be a bit ‘cause I’m eating and watching people... wait for other people to play video games.
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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: June 27, 2018, 06:41:09 am »
I just had the most bizarre dream, involving an invincible giant shark coming out of the TV which could only be deterred by using a special bow and arrow, and also some kind of Death creature as well, and there were mountains and snow and seriously wtf subconscious when I dream I have mundane everyday stuff dreams, not this.
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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 26, 2018, 10:45:39 pm »
Hey man, I wouldn’t want to reduce the quality of haggis by putting them into it.
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Mafia / Re: Mostly Vanilla Mafia(11/11): Day 1: Evil's Afoot!
« on: June 26, 2018, 09:52:04 pm »
The last post feels very disconcerting, like turtle is trying to defend someone or something like that..?
... but it’s late and bedtime so I’ll deal with it at some other point. Probably.
... but it’s late and bedtime so I’ll deal with it at some other point. Probably.
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Other Games / Re: Crusader Kings 2 is released.
« on: June 26, 2018, 08:21:56 pm »Oh. Aye. The Duchy of Sicily is the football, though the rest of the Kingdom is the rest of the 'leg'. It's a nuisance since I need that leg and the upper half all under my control to formVoltronthe Empire of Italy. It's so damn silly; I don't think any other Empire is harder to form.
Persia, but I’ve only really done it as weirdo religions and gone up against the Abbasid/Muslim blob and the Byzantines, fending off Indians all the while.