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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol: new thread subtitle pending
« on: June 07, 2018, 01:02:16 pm »As for suicides, I feel like they ARE unrelated and we've had that discussion before.Give the argument it's due. He presented data that they're related. What's the evidence they're not?
Once again, we've had this discussion before, as I"m sure we've had this discussion on guns before and come to a stalemate so why am I even bothering... but...
A suicide only affects the person who chooses to commit it. I admit there's an argument that people "owe" something to other people to stay alive. But I'd also argue that choosing to die is the last choice left to a lot of people and there shouldn't be a stigma against taking that choice.
As such, there is no "harm" done in suicide as the person taking that option is accepting the consequences, and so it doesn't belong in a discussion about how much harm guns do. Suicides are simply used as a way to inflate death numbers from guns. Not that you really need to do that as death numbers from guns are already high enough to cause people worry, but it's only used as a political tool rather than out of any sort of worry for the people actually committing suicide.
It’a a death caused by a gun. Technically easy enough access to a gun to use it, but eh, hair-splitting. Why shouldn’t it be counted?
I’d also like to point out that suicide may not “harm” others (for a given definition of harm) but it will affect more people than the person who killed themselves.
