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McCarthy, getting feisty, allegedly elbowed a Republican colleague and critic in the back while the colleague was being interviewed, who then proceeded to chase after him.

Anxiety does that. You need to look after yourself as well which can mean time away from studying.

Might be something else, but that seems most likely if you’re worrying about your inability to study, which has the wonderful effect of making the anxiety worse and entering a cycle of being anxious to do study but not being able to do it so getting more anxious and being even less able to do it until you go bananas.

Sometimes money is a big motivator. Stanley Tucci is a brilliant actor, cannot make the Transformers movies he’s in anything more than glorified product placement ads.

Speaking of Stanley Tucci, watch The Impostors, brilliant film.

I’ve thought the same about your position since you claimed the protests for peace are anti-Semitic.

Can’t help but laugh at your failure to see the irony in using the example of hate groups co-opting extant symbols and twisting them to their own nefarious ends for your point whilst simultaneously failing to understand the same example for mine, though.

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Quote from: martinuzz on November 13, 2023, 07:15:40 pm

The Arabs are semites as well.

I am rather tired of this take. It is not how languages work. Words mutate and two words with the same root can have very different meanings.

Yet a phrase used by different groups must hold the same meaning regardless of intent and context.

You are full of contradictions.

You have me so confused. Again.

-  Words with same\simmilar root don't always mean the same thing
-  This certain phrase has an established meaning and one can't pretend that it doesn't.

How do those statements contradict each other?

You understand that language is a dynamic living thing that changes over time (or, put another way, context) but simultaneously hold the idea that certain bits of language have to remain static regardless of context.

Like… the word cunt was used in street names centuries ago but these days is considered a very offensive thing to say (geographically contextual I suppose since it can be used relatively benignly in certain places), or the word damn was considered hugely offensive decades ago (to the point it was very controversial to be in the movie Gone With The Wind) but these days you’d be unconcerned to hear a child utter it in frustration.

Similarly, “Semite”, regardless of the credibility of the science behind it, was once used in the manner martinuzz used it, now that meaning is obsolete.

Like yeah, chanting “from the river to the sea etc” probably isn’t going to make Israel think twice (because in their context it is a frightening thing) but to paint hundreds of thousands of otherwise peaceful protesters as anti-semites because of it is a ridiculous position to take.

I just don’t know how you can take two mutually exclusive ideas and consider them both true.

Matthew 25.27 (or 27.25) is a big one in terms of it from Christians, certainly. It’s basically something along the lines of the Jews collectively taking responsibility for killing Jesus, and that following them through the generations. It’s also referred to as the blood curse.

Which is an utterly ridiculous take, but one that lasted many years. One of the recent popes issues a bull or something absolving then of responsibility, I think.

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Is this another delineation we need to make? You can’t be pro-Palestinian and pro-peace?

Reminds me of pro-Russian "Pro-Peace" folk - why can't Ukraine just surrender and there will be peace?

So not really. Being on someone's side in a war means you want victory for this side or want to avoid defeat, not peace. Especially when you chant "Israel must be destroyed" sorry, "From the river..."

Look, I know trying to figure out nuance and context and intent is difficult, but here goes: when hundreds of thousands of people are marching broadly peaceably to encourage their political leaders to support either an end to or just a pause in fighting, maybe, just maybe, they mean they want everyone to live in peace and not the wholesale slaughter of one side? Is it too difficult to understand that, or does everyone have to avoid saying things because a bad person said it to mean something really bad one time, and maybe even acted on it too?

On the topic of nuance, maybe you shouldn’t conflate the plight of Palestinians and Hamas. Just a thought. Just because they are forced to live there and tolerate their presence doesn’t mean they’re pleased Hamas have brought a tempest of military-grade ordnance upon them.

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Of course we don’t need to worry about things like due process or anything like that. You know, go through the formalities and actually investigate people, make sure they’re the ones that were shouting their vile slurs, spend time making sure they can get a conviction.

Nah, best to just summarily execute people.

Who should we start with?

Strawman is strong in you. A month has passed.

Aye and suggesting the police are only pretending to care is the height of intellectual discourse is it? Pull the other one wee man, it’s got bells on.

Do you know how long it takes for the police to investigate, take action, and then the courts to prosecute someone, particularly after Covid caused backlogs aplenty? Pretty sure it’s longer than a month, but I’m willing to be proven wrong on that one.

Oh wait you don’t think you need provide evidence for your assertions, what am I talking about, sorry.

Other than that, I’m sure the police in a city of 5 million have nothing better to do than drop everything and find some people who shouted bad things. Just a wee provincial town where everyone knows everyone eh.

Whoops. That one is a strawman, I’ll give you that.

Even forgetting the actual point I was making about how long due process takes, it’s probably not going to be printed in the news, because nobody cares about Joe Average going to jail, unless it’s sensational, and at the end of the day, jailing someone for shouting vitriol isn’t that interesting unless it involves violence.

PPE: long post with you talking the same nonsense you’ve been spouting for a month.

Humanitarian crisis after humanitarian crisis after humanitarian crisis hasn’t stopped Hamas before, it’s not going to stop Hamas this time. It’s going to be a long bloody war and the biggest victims are the civilians caught in the middle, but whatever, Israel has a right to defend themselves, what’s a few bombed refugee camps or UN facilities, or hospitals running out of electricity and fuel and supplies? Nah, fuck the people who get crushed between Israel and Hamas, and fuck them again the next time it flares up, and again, and again, and again… until there’s nobody left to fuck.