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Quote from: Tiruin on May 15, 2018, 09:37:10 pm

Why don't you?
Everyone: thoughts about Hector?

I still don't trust him. Really. His reviving doesn't quite jibe with "unlynchable", he's not really aggressively pursuing scum like he does as town, and he seems to be ignoring the utility of my abilities to town. Especially considering randomgenericusername's ability factory to pay for my services.

I need you to consider this from town!me's perspective: you are claimed non-town and you have no particular reason with which to side with town, considering you have already won. (as a side note: do you need to be alive to win?)

You are presently protecting another claimed TP - one who is not at all working with the town despite that protection - and you are essentially holding the town to ransom in order to actually put your powers to use for the town, so the utility you claim comes at a massive cost to town, in that they lose the ability to act for themselves.

In addition to all this, you have claimed immunity (presumably from kills) so yes, I am deeply unsettled by your presence in the game, and I don't particularly want to be hammered by a ballsy scum gambit.

Aside from that, the three people I pushed as scum earlier haven't been around. How am I supposed to "aggressively pursue" someone who isn't here?

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I need a more concrete claim from Tiruin before revealing what I did.

Tiruin: what did you do last night and who did you do it to?

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True...

Huh. From the phrasing of the ability, the kill doesn't need to be successful in order for you to steal the mafiakill abilities the target has.

I'm not called RGU, nor am I scum. Why are you trying to get the town to use 1-shot kills meant for scum on me? Point: you think I'm scum.

What makes you think I'm scum?

Broad strokes of my game so far: I messed up big time on D1-1. I then told y'all that lynching me would be a waste because I was unlynchable, which was the right thing to do 'cause I don't want lynches to be wasted, but y'all did it anyway and found out I was truthing. Then y'all started voting for me again, so I told y'all multiple times in varying degrees of upsetness that I was unlynchable, but y'all did it and found out once again that I was truthing.

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Your presence is bothersome because you have no reason to side with town, even after payment. You have been protecting a claimed TP, even working against your "wincon" at the behest of your "customer", blocking a player that just so happens to have a 1-shot kill ability that will mess up scum big time. I wonder why?

You're scum, he's your partner. Game over.

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Since some of you seem to be thinking I had a revive instead of being unlynchable D1-1 and 1-2, how do you think the flavourtext would differ if I was unlynchable?

Guess we could ask webadict:

webadict:1. how would the following two scenarios appear in the end of day flavour text:

a) someone with a revive gets lynched.

b) someone who is unlynchable gets lynched.

2. You seem to have missed MM's question about whether or not an Outside stays in the game once they've won. Would an Outsider that achieves their wincon remain in the game?

You should keep a trumpet and a trumpet mute near your desk for just this very reason.

Probably not bass enough for the sound of adults in Peanuts.

Well the apples have something of a mad right wing government, so I think it can already be said that they’ve flipped, for a given definition of flipped which is sky not very nice to right-wing folks.

Also, as per webadict, D1 will not be repeating itself if it shows up again.

Gneiss pun.

'cause he's lying.

EU is not canon.

This totally means they can’t pull ideas from it, the charlatans.

1 - RGU is not confirmed to be town. He could just as easily be mafia, and I'm suspicious of it. I personally feel frustrated that others don't share my suspicion, so I acted on it the only way I could.

He could just as easily be town by that argument, too, and I'm suspicious of you for failing to refine your read on him by actually interacting with him during the day. So no, that was not the only way you could act on that suspicion.

2 - I could only assume that they'd be glimpsed by an investigative sort of action through the night as such a particularly standout suspect, which leaves me for *my* main suspect. If I thought I could get a feasible case and following on quinnr, I would. I'm a survivor, however, so my input will matter less to the town because of the "Thirds stick out for nobody" meme (which, honestly, makes sense, but makes things difficult for me still.)

During the day yesterday, RGU said what action he was going to take on N1. He also investigates as scum, so what would the point be in someone investigating him? "yeah it's true he investigates as scum"?

Points in orange:

3 -
FallacyOfUrist - I'm not going to argue with someone who can protect me. so you're refusing to read someone based on their utility to you, while they have negative utility to the town in large part because of you?
hector13 - You're town. That or you're scum that's taken head of the town very well. I'm "leading the town" because I'm one of the only people posting regularly. Basically what you're saying is you're hedging, because you don't want to stand out.
IcyTea31 - Null, slight town. Not notable, but not in a suspicious way. This is basically the same as your read on me, just less strong because he doesn't post as much.
mightymushroom - Null. Slight town through process of elimination, unless there are 3 scum.What process of elimination?
quinnr - Scum leaning. Them and RGU are my votes for the scumteam. Why?
randomgenericusername - I really do think that RGU is not town, but I have no evidence or means to obtain it. As above, perhaps you could make an attempt to do that now? Other than me and FoU - someone you understandably don't want to prod - RGU is top poster.
Tiruin - Null. This is Tiruin, so that goes without saying.Fair enough.

As for RGU being a known element, an absolute, known element in a setup like this is an anomaly. They are an exception, not a rule, and they should be scrutinized because of it.

So scrutinise away. You've said you're trying to be useful to town but you have done bupkis to show that we should keep you around, TP or not.

You have not scumhunted anyone, you have not used the information you have available to get a read on anyone, you're scumreading quinnr because he has posted the least, you're "town-reading" me because I've posted the most, and to post a maxim I haven't used for a long while, "activity is not alignment indicative" and you're scumreading RGU because "omg he's scary" which is also not alignment indicative.

Frankly, the only reason I'm not voting you over FoU is because he's said he's not going to do anything for town without weakening them first, and he's going to get a free kill at some point in the future.