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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 08, 2023, 03:04:27 pm »
Don’t do what one of my friends did and move the pallet, then forget about it and then walk over the hole.

He’s lucky the hole wasn’t bigger because folk had been throwing glass down it for some reason, and it was a decent-sized drop too.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 08, 2023, 12:40:23 pm »
That seems to be the Republican raison d’etre: try to manipulate the electoral roll so they can get what they want done, not the people. They tried to change the rules before this happened to make it more difficult to change the state constitution.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 08, 2023, 10:04:31 am »
Snap!

My state also has regressive abortion laws, I think illegal beyond six weeks.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 08, 2023, 08:53:31 am »
Both abortion protections and marijuana legalization passed in Ohio yesterday by overwhelming margins.

Pretty big deal considering it’s a Republican-led state. Republicans have said they will explore their options, but it’s in the constitution now.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: November 07, 2023, 11:10:20 am »
You mean things are only "evil" if they result in a physical change to the universe, or other people? That's sort of a... functional definition, not an existential definition.

It also means you shouldn't really call things good or evil - only harmful or benign, and to go further, as "personally harmful/benign" vs "publicly harmful/benign."

That's a difference between atheistic and theistic morality though... one is that there is an existential, fundamental "good/evil", the other is that everything is just pragmatic.

I don’t think that’s the difference between atheistic and theistic morality. Theistic morality preaches that there is evil in thought (which means you might as well just do the act if it’s the same) but also that there’s evil in things that we consider benign in modern times, homosexuality being one of the big ones.

Some religions also think that removing evil is a good thing. They try “convince” the gay to be straight, through means from relatively benign (pray the gay away) to utterly cruel (conversion therapies, correctional rape, outright murder) because performing a smaller evil to prevent a greater one/save a soul is worth the sin.

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I was under the impression that everyone born on Ireland (the island ;)) was able to claim Irish citizenship? Like… I don’t know if it pre-dated the GFA, but… I don’t think it’s misleading from that perspective.

Unless it’s just the residency part. I imagine you would be pretty easily found out if you had to get physical mail (in this day and age?) which would pretty obviously put you in the UK.

On the one hand you’ll be taking a place away from someone else, on the other hand… experience and character building, something to put on your CV and all that jazz.

A quick look at their website says it’s still open to UK residents until funding runs out. I don’t know if that’s happened yet.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 05, 2023, 07:51:14 pm »
Perhaps I should clarify that I meant in order for an employer to make a profit from an employee, they need to pay the employee less than the value the employee added through their labour.

No I understood - and I disagree.  The employer can charge more than the value of the labor because the employer is adding value above what the labor provided. The labor can be fairly compensated and the employer still charge more than that.  The "employer" adds brand recognition, sales channels, testing, distribution, indemnification, and all kinds of other things.

Sales price above value of labor doesn't at all have to mean they are paying the labor less than it's worth.  Sure that's one way to increase profits, but it's not even a necessary condition for profit.  So a statement like "an employer can only profit by underpaying for labor" is just hyperbole.

The employer also employs other people to do all of those things, either in order to be able to sell the product (sales teams, advertising, lawyers etc.) or retain employees (health and safety, HR, lawyers) to actually make a product you can sell.

At the end of the day, the difference between the value of the input and the selling price of the end product is a result of the labour that’s gone into it, and in order to make money off it, the selling price will need to be higher than the labour cost.

You can call it hyperbole, but… I disagree you on that point.

I am of the unwavering opinion that employers are lucky the employee has chosen to give up their time to work for them (and not a competitor!), not the other way round.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 05, 2023, 07:03:51 pm »
Well, in order to make a profit off someone else’s labour, you need to pay them less than their labour is worth. It’s varying degrees of horrible depending on how bad you want to be in that regard.
That's... an interesting and questionable philosophy.

Consider a situation where the baseline is 1 year worth of food for 1 year worth of labor.  Now say that someone other than the farmer creates a plow and now the laborer can get 2 years of food for 1 year worth of labor. Who gets the "profit" here? How do you attribute the value of the labor to the plow-maker versus the the plow-user?  That is - what percentage of that extra years worth of food, goes to the plow maker versus the plow user?  Do you split it 50/50? Do you give it all to the plow-maker, since the plow enabled all the marginal increase in output?  Do you give it all to the plow-user, since it was that labor that actually generated the food?  Is it something in between?

What if it wasn't a plow-maker, but a merchant who took some of the food and carried it around the countryside? What if the merchant had to buy the food with 1 cart of lumber?  When they distribute and the food, for lumber, they end up with 2 carts of wood. The merchant had a net gain of one cart of wood... was that "stealing" from the original farmer, paying them less than their labor was worth? Or was that just getting paid for the added value associated with distributing the produce?

Does the merchant have any obligation to the farmer to give them more lumber? Should the merchant have such an obligation?

Perhaps I should clarify that I meant in order for an employer to make a profit from an employee, they need to pay the employee less than the value the employee added through their labour.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 05, 2023, 06:12:38 pm »
Well, in order to make a profit off someone else’s labour, you need to pay them less than their labour is worth. It’s varying degrees of horrible depending on how bad you want to be in that regard.

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Er… Trump moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and wants to extend his Muslim ban to Gaza, plus increased ideological screening for people coming into the US, which will likely be a “do you support Hamas? Tick yes or no” on the paper you fill in before coming to the US. He’s not pro-Hamas, he’s just an idiot.

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General Discussion / Re: Railgun and Spirituality Discussion
« on: November 05, 2023, 12:07:46 am »
That’s been the case since Amendment 1, brah.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 04, 2023, 08:57:14 pm »
Most homeowners want to keep the prices of houses up. Homeowners Associations are a thing, and that’s generally what they’re for.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 04, 2023, 08:33:38 pm »
I'm anti "screw those people because they're not us!"

If you think that's what unions are about, then you're hardcore anti-union.
It is almost exactly that... though.
Based on..?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 04, 2023, 05:37:47 pm »
Exactly, just because an employee is allowed to unionize doesn’t mean the employer is going to let them.

I used to work in a place in which if a store manager was in charge when a union was formed, they’d have their wages cut significantly. How likely do you think a store manager in that position is going to be amenable to union efforts in their store?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: November 04, 2023, 04:57:38 pm »
If they were allowed to unionize, they’d get that help. That’s what unions are for. Unions benefit even non-union workers, so just the existence of a union is going to be a boon for low-wage workers.

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