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Catmeat would be my guess.

Superguess.

GentleTalks

He's his younger, less-skilled brother.

There hasn't always been a coven when a witch is present, there have been lone witches. Maybe once, anyway. I'm reasonably sure that the witches in some games weren't even PRs, beyond the quicktopic.

There could be more than one witch. There might not be *shrugs* I know there's at least one, and given the current theories regarding the scum, felt it would be useful for folk to know.

Kinda defeats the purpose of being witches if you're the scum team though... you already get a quicktopic.

Not really sure what you hope to glean from my response though. I might be a witch going for a double bluff, but if I was, what would I gain from revealing that the role exists?

Kinda curious what they're saying in the quicktopic if there is a coven though.

Not sure about you, manny. You've been quite reactive in your play so far. Looking forward to that reads list.

I'm not sure why it's a problem if it is, or why people claim it isn't.

That's what happens to politics when you let people get involved.

Tiruin

Quote from: hector13 on October 06, 2017, 03:29:30 pm

NK analysis is a bit hit and miss anyway. Until about an hour ago, I didn't know much about Shake's kill beyond it happened. Could've been town, TP, or scum. We don't want to delve too much into a town kill, while a TP kill is interesting. Scum probably have a kill, otherwise they're going to have much trouble winning, though I haven't looked through the previous supernatural games with a cult yet to see how Meph dealt with conversions and kills.

PPE: in saying that, this was a role in the Semi-Bastard Supernatural:

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Hapah - You are a veteran Templar, your skills in hunting down the accursed Cults of the world honed by many battles against the dark forces of the world. You are immune to the seductive charms of the Cults, and cannot be converted by them. In addition, you may either attempt to Kill another player each night or Protect yourself from attack instead.

Seems likely there's a cult then heh.

However, it would seem quite excessive for them to have a convert and a kill. One or t'other, though I guess they could convert a killing role... that would be unpleasant.

Supernatural 8 had a non-converting cult, though. Could be dealing with that again.

Equally so, the Templar role could be a red herring. *shrugs* various games in which there has been a Vampire Hunter with no vampire.

I agree with Rev's conclusion of Shakerag's death being awfully ritualistic. Perhaps the baddies are building a golem, or are attempting to summon a vicious beasty and need various body parts, but that's flavour pondering and not necessarily all that useful.

Err, do know that with a cult, cult CAN CONVERT AND KILL (at least through my Charismatic Cultist), and there WAS a post by Meph saying 'I thought this was already in there [same Supernatural as me being said cultist] but it wasn't now I guess all is known' o_O
Ehh, either way, I do expect that there are unconventional roles not in the OP still alive--as that kind of kill details aren't conventional. Werebears or otherwise have more blunt force trauma and stuff. That was specific extracted-killyness.
...Although the organ harvester seems to be a similarity when you think about it that way I REALLY doubt Meph went and brought an ALIEN here.

I did mention the most recent Supernatural game had a cult which couldn't convert... so it depends what way he's going.

More on this later.

Quote from: Tiruin on October 06, 2017, 08:02:59 pm

NK analysis is a bit hit and miss anyway. Until about an hour ago, I didn't know much about Shake's kill beyond it happened. Could've been town, TP, or scum. We don't want to delve too much into a town kill, while a TP kill is interesting. Scum probably have a kill, otherwise they're going to have much trouble winning, though I haven't looked through the previous supernatural games with a cult yet to see how Meph dealt with conversions and kills.

...But why is a NK analysis hit and miss? In these kinds of games--you can directly infer that the kill was done by a specific party because Meph has flavors for those. Monster Hunter has mundane weaponry marks for example--sword or spear or halberd or etc. Vampires have blood suckyness. Mafia-versions of Town roles have the same kinds of kill marks (eg Knight = slashyslashy)
And furthermore, HOW did you not match Shakerag's marks on BHK when it explicitly said he ded?

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“BlackHeartKabal, or what is left of him, seems to have been eaten. However, we should not mourn him too much. It seems, based on a series of tattoos still visible on his neck that he was a host for a Devil. No doubt here to cause mischief, or worse.”

Other than the NPC High Priest saying stuff (which I don't recall has ever been designated that way before), Ghouls eat people.

I know Shakerag ate BHK. I'm not sure how you thought I was confused about that...

Anyway, I also have misgivings about you kinda sorta taking what I said about NK analysis being hit or miss out of context. I explained my thoughts regarding NK analysis in the rest of that paragraph.

What you are positing as NK analysis - which I would define as "x player died during the night, who benefits and how?" - is actually flavour analysis. Given we've had a few players agree that the kill appears ritualistic, flavour analysis can be useful in figuring out what we're dealing with in a non-vanilla game like this.

Quote from: hector13 on October 06, 2017, 05:06:48 pm

To be fair the town allowed that by having 2/3 not voting. It should probably be embarrassing that two votes was enough to lynch someone on D1.

o_o
"the town allowed [...]"
...That's some oddly specific wording there Hector.

I'd like to know what you mean here before responding to it.

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I've been pondering over whether or not to reveal this tidbit, but I think it's probably a good idea for y'all to know there's at least one witch in the game. So far as I can tell, they've always been town-aligned in previous games, but that might just make Meph want to spice things up a bit by makin' 'em bad now.

Quote from: juicebox on October 06, 2017, 02:11:44 pm

Teneb: Why are you so focused on a cult? I know that they've been common in supernatural games but the evidence seems to me to point elsewhere

And what, pray tell, does the evidence point to? It's all very nice to say "ur wrong" without saying why. Are you trying to divert attention from your cultist self?

Quote from: hector13 on October 06, 2017, 02:24:33 pm

What? When did I say these things? Could fire that last shot at you too, bucko. Excepting this question, anyway...

unvote. It was mostly baseless stuff to see if you would actually slip. Pressure and so on.

So... you say you're looking for me to slip. Am I scum?

If so, why unvote?

If not, who is? Why does your effort stop when I dispute what you say?