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I was just being silly and over-simplifying things, to be fair. His mum was a Catholic, while Jimmy was raised to be a Prod. She had been forced to abdicate to James after an uprising, and the monarch of Englerland was the head of the Church of England. Had she not been executed by Lizzy, things would've got problematical.

As it stood, though, smooth tranisition from Lizzy to James. Popular guy, but union of the crowns didn't mean political union, which was not a popular idea at the time, despite the power monarchs of the day had. He very much did lay the groundwork to get it done, given his strong desire for it. He styled himself King of GB and Ireland, 'cause he was king of the big island and the wee island, but he wasn't allowed to have that on legal documents, 'cept in Scotland, 'cause he forced them to do that. He also termed himself King of France, which obviously wasn't the case, something the monarchs of England did for hundreds of years prior to and following his reign.

He was a major proponent of the divine right of monarchs, which is probably a significant factor in why he wasn't on particular great terms with the parliament. Monarchs of the time did retain a great degree of political power, so it's not exactly surprising that he wanted the same foreign policy for all three kingdoms he ruled. It wouldn't do to have them all working at cross purposes, would it?

Probably the most significant factor in the eventual union was money. Scotland's investment in Darien was something of a massive failure - arguably in no small part due to English interference - allowing the English government to basically buy enough Scottish politicians to push through the Act of Union.

Quote from: hector13 on August 14, 2017, 08:54:54 am

Just more proof that Canada is awful. Annexation when?

You want make Great Britain great again, hector?

I'm a Scottish independence supporter, there has never been a time that Great Britain was great. /much too serious now

Alternatively:

MGBGA hate lol autocorrect hats when?

I understand what you're saying there, but I can't really accept that we have to let it burn itself out.

I know you're offering this as a simplistic look at it, but I don't think I can accept that the best thing to do is stand and watch the violence get worse and worse until enough sense is knocked into both sides. There are going to be voices on both sides saying they can't stop, they have to wipe the other side out, and if both sides have committed atrocities to the other, there's ample fuel for that fire to burn forever.

"They did x so we need to do y!"

"Oh my goodness, they did y after we did x, which was totally necessary so we need to do z!"

"Wtf man, we clearly were in the right doing y after they did x, but they did z too, so now we need to do a!"

and so on...

Quote from: hector13 on August 14, 2017, 01:01:49 am

Quote from: sluissa on August 13, 2017, 11:37:19 pm

We've got one still picture. It isn't clear whether the officer is standing there or moving in to help. It isn't clear what started it, but he admits he was taking part in the "counter-protests" which pushed things to violence in the first place. Article is written on a site with a clear bias and written in a way that clearly steers the narrative in a certain direction. The whole thing stinks of bad journalism.

So you get on the high horse about lack of evidence and bias, yet make a fairly significant, unsupported claim that it was the counter-protest that kicked off the violence.

Have you met the kettle?

Both sides came armed, it takes two to fuck.

I mean the protesters were there ostensibly to save a statue. Not really sure how anti-Semitic and Nazi chants are supposed to achieve that, but wtf do I know?

You said it yourself. One group showed up for a reason. Good or bad, they had their reason. The other group showed up entirely to antagonize the first.

Did they?

In the middle of Emancipation Park in Charlottesville on Saturday, two young women, one white and one black, took each other's hands and held them tightly, and with their other hands they gripped the steel barrier in front of them.

A few feet away, a young white man with a buzzed haircut and sunglasses leaned towards them over a facing barrier. "You'll be on the first f*****g boat home," he screamed at the black woman, before turning to the white woman. "And as for you, you're going straight to hell," he said. Then he gave a Nazi salute.

I imagine that was said with complete ignorance of the irony of having immigrant heritage. Does that sound like someone who's protesting the removal of a statue? Does that appear like the two women were there to antagonise the young man?

The article does later go on to tell the story of a white supremacist who had the shit kicked out of him by counter-protesters, but then again, there was that incident with the car mowing down the counter-protesters. Swings and roundabouts.

Maybe you can try to spin that into being the counter-protesters fault, too?

In other news, Charlottesville local douchebag that organized the rally is confronted at a press conference, runs like the little pussy he is.

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For all their Sturm und Drang rhetoric, these guys have the tiniest balls.

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That explains the dizziness, at least from my experience. Anecdotal evidence is best evidence.

It does have some nasty withdrawal effects, the most prominent of which for me was feeling like I was getting electric shocks behind my eyes whenever I moved 'em.

Anyway, I'm glad you did get a refill, which is what I meant by new. Just to be even more helicopter hector-ish, do you plan on speaking with your doctor about it too?

Quote from: hector13 on August 13, 2017, 09:31:34 pm

Bastard in the modern sense of an unpleasant person.

I mean all bastards are unpleasant, right? That explains the -1 diplomacy.

That's just what a bastard would say...

Hey man, my parents had been married a decade before me.

I mean, I'm really nice, how dare you.

Bastard in the modern sense of an unpleasant person.

I mean all bastards are unpleasant, right? That explains the -1 diplomacy.