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If he could personally benefit from it, sure.

Oh I forgot.

Porkies is Cockney rhyming slang for lies, not necessarily egregious ones like Teebs suggested. Just... general untruths, big and small.

You know third-hand one side of the story here. You have no idea whether the violence there was unnecessary.

James Callaghan in the 70s I think it was. Minority Labour government propped up by N. Irish votes, funnily enough. Resigned before a vote of no confidence, after refusing to fund a gas pipeline in N. Ireland.

Lead to Mrs. Thatcher.

Senior Tories allegedly ignore the country's need to focus on Brexit by urging Boris to challenge May's leadership.

Boris has Tweeted that this is all tripe.

flabort

Quote from: Lenglon on June 10, 2017, 02:40:53 pm

Flabort: sooo..... about that roleflip that didn't happen...

I genuinely thought it would happen.

One would like to think that you would have clarified things with webadict, considering that it was a significant part of why you accepted being lynched yesterday knowing it was a waste for town to do so, that you also admitted. The fact you admitted it is a smidgen of towncred for you.

Quote from: TheDarkStar on June 10, 2017, 03:26:48 pm

Quote from: TheBiggerFish on June 10, 2017, 03:16:03 pm

doll:Can you still talk?  If you can still talk, who did you target?

doll did not visit me (and he probably didn't visit anyone else, since the planned kills didn't even happen) but flabort did visit doll. doll's stated plan was to visit everyone and since he flipped town with the role he claimed I see no reason to doubt him. To me, it seems likely that flabort blocked doll.

flabort: Explain last night.

1) Doll had lost interest in the game, see their last post, and probably didn't take any actions.
2) After I died, I got a new, different role as per my old role's ability "Backup Role". This means I lost all my old abilities like the redirect.
3) My new role had a one-shot kill.
4) I was still feeling salty towards Doll for their personal attacks towards me, still suspected them for the things they said, and also felt that if they were going to be inactive and drop out of the game, they would be useless as an inactive lump.
5) With that evidence, can you put 2 and 2 together?
(Hint: The answer is I killed Doll)

See, there's a lot wrong here. doll lost interest in D1, reasonably so if they thought that there was nothing else to gain from it. Where did you think they lost interest in the entire game? Did you forget - somehow, given this was a major talking point of D1 - that doll knew they were going to die, one way or another, on N1, and not consider if this had an influence on their interest of the game?

Further, if you have a one-shot kill as town, why are you wasting it immediately upon a player you think will be inactive, as opposed to a player you think is scummy? Not only that, you use a 1-shot action on a player that said they were going to be dead as a result of the actions they took anyway. This does not make sense from a town perspective. Certainly not from any player who was engaged with what was going on, either.

That you think that doll is scum based on their actions yesterday is also bewildering. They essentially put themselves in a position that, had they survived N1, they were guaranteed to be lynched D2. This does not make sense from a non-town perspective, with the sole exception of the Jester.

Again, considering this on top of the previous paragraphs, why use a 1-shot action on this player?

Thus, I need you to talk through your thought processes regarding these points in great detail, in particular your decision to kill doll during the night.

Quote from: TolyK on June 10, 2017, 03:42:53 pm

Flabort:

Quote from: Lenglon

Flabort: sooo..... about that roleflip that didn't happen...

Why did you not flip?
What changed in your role, if anything?
What did you do tonight, specifically?

1) Not sure. The ability doesn't specifically SAY I flip, but it certainly implied it. If I were GMing a game and gave an ability worded like that, the person would have flipped because their role changed.
2) Everything. I lost the infinite ability, I lost the power-giver ability, I lost the redirect, and the resurrect got used up. In return, I got a 1-shot kill and an auto. This auto gives me a 1-shot ability whenever I target or am targeted by a player, which if I'm reading it right is a random version of an ability they have. Speaking of which, Webadict, sent you a PM asking about that and my ability from targeting Doll?
3) I killed Doll.

Again, why did you not seek clarification from webadict regarding whether or not you flip?

Hector13
When you said that the only thing not WIFOM about Doll's claim is that they will die as a result of the claim, did you intend to kill them yourself? Or did you mean by voting today? Do you have any opinions, coming into today, that have changed overnight?

I meant they claimed they would die as a result of their own actions, claimed the mafia kill would be on them, and if they were still alive D2 they would most definitely be lynched.

I think you're telling porkies. Less sure of Lenglon/Shakerag. Curious how FoU will react to having time to explain their reads, whether they will obfuscate or come up with some good detail. Also interested to see how how TBF will piss away the day today.

You will not blame me if I completely ignore the other question here, or perhaps answer it with "mibbes aye, mibbes naw", 'cause I'm funny like that. Which is also funny, but for different reasons.

Peter Petrelli (Town)
(Auto) Heroes: When I target someone or am targeted by someone (it actually says "a player" here, so I'll include that in my question to Webadict that Lenglon asked), gain a 1-shot version of a random ability (Also something to ask Wuba about, it doesn't say "of theirs", I want to be clear). If I gain a power from all living players, I win.
(1-shot, used) Eerie Arrival: Kill a player that aided in your death. Blahblah blah rules about making sure that the player was one who aided in my death and if I don't pick one or I choose one who is invalid, one will be selected randomly.
And a soon to arrive new one-shot from targeting Doll, Webadict is just busy and forgot to send it, and it will arrive when they get time.

You doing things like this doesn't help. Your auto there is basically you saying "don't target me dudes, you might inadvertently make me win!" which is likely to be quite effective, considering how you drew enough interest from the other players yesterday to get lynched, and the flip you were so convinced would happen in order to confirm your town status was not at all forthcoming. Perhaps people didn't act upon you on N1 because people expected doll to murder you in the night, and you know you don't have that luxury this time round.

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Shakerag/Lenglon - I guess it doesn't matter who the vote ends up on, since a vote for one is a vote for the other. Speaking of which:

webadict: seein' as how Shakerag and Lenglon are technically one player, how does voting them work? Separate tallies, or are they added together?

TolyK:
Hello from Wisconsin Dells!

Piss off back to your own state

Quote from: Lenglon on June 10, 2017, 07:39:16 pm

Flabort: You have seen my fuse ability in action. it is a phaseless 1-shot that has been used up at this time. clarify with Web if your new auto could give it to you, and what would need to be done to make it happen. tell me the results. again, I do have an infinate action mechanic if having me action you 10,000 times is necessary.
Assuming you got it, would you be willing to use it on us and tie your fate to ours? be aware doing this will set your wincon to match ours even if you are currently mafia or 3rd party.

Don't jump the gun on this flabort.  Unless you are mafia or third party or cult in which case go ahead and jump the gun.

Why should town be worried about jumping the gun here, if you are town?

Football/soccer. Technically also the election on Thursday, but I was posting mostly for the football.

They were 1-0 down in the 86th minute (of 90, for all you non-football knowing people) against England, and 2-1 up in the 90th, with 4 minutes of stoppage time (time added on for various stoppages during the game)

One of the players, I don't know who, decided to attempt to play a cheeky through ball instead of KICKINGTHEBALLINTOTHEATMOSPHEREYAAAAAS, which got intercepted, and England scored from the resulting possession, in the 93rd minute, with the game ending 2-2, cementing my belief that Scotland don't know how to close out games.

So many commas.

Oh dear. Tories apparently willing to waste even more time by urging Mrs. May to sack two senior advisors, and demand she changes the way she leads.

Perhaps by actually, you know, leading.

Edit: Ah well, never mind. That was quick.