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Spoiler: A Concerned Mother (click to show/hide)

Dear Sir Chief Editor,

I am writing to you to express my complete and total dissatisfaction by the utter tripe that is the Gossiper. Have you no shame? The number of tentacles on our mayor's face does not exceed a sum total of sixteen! I have it on good authority that our local bakery does not mix bone dust with flour! It is not the case that arsonists are being blessed by the gods! If our elders are to be believed, they are blessed by quite the opposite! Good day and a mighty harumph!

Signed,

A Concerned Mother

"Steps are being taken, ma'am."

   Senior Ur-Mage mage: "Could you send us another copy of the Gazzettes of five years ago? We heard there was a group doing fascinating work on the other side of the world, but lost their contact information to an accident."

Encourage the Kharis and MMH to maintain a small stock of back issues of each publication in future.

Provide copies to the Ur-Mage mage if they exist.

   Duneling executive: "We were wondering if you would be interested in new newspaper delivery...constructs"

"Make me a sales pitch, mortal. What did you have in mind?"

May was essentially defaulted into the position as everyone else in the leadership race stood down - perhaps noting it for the poisoned chalice it is - so I don't think she's necessarily had a popularity rating, as it were.

She was notable as Home Secretary for various things like the Snooper's Charter and vans with the slogan "illegal immigrants go home or be arrested" or some such.

She certainly isn't doing herself any favors by hiding from debates during the campaign, though. Evidently she thinks that the lead they had when she announced the election was big enough to absorb the hit from doing that.

Edit: I forgot her desire to scrap the Human Rights Act, too.

I don't, haven't I explained that before?  I got ninja'd by something that basically disproved the main cause of my suspicions, as I have explained, repeatedly.

You haven't explained that before. You explained the tone change, but neglected to mention that it was a read change at some point too.

G'on then, though. Tell us what about the interaction between Pozzai and Tir did to change your mind, 'cause it looks like it was just because Pozzai was interacting with someone else (Tir) and that's why a I asked the question you've still not answered.

Was Pozzai seeking out the interaction, or reacting to someone else interacting with the ?

Appleby's is pretty good.

Food takes too long and is quite expensive, but I like it...

The strength of my read on 4mask is based on meta, and the fact that he hasn't followed the behavior chronic to D1 scum!4maskwolf which I used to find him in the BM.
For this reason, players not sharing that meta-context should have a weaker townread of 4maskwolf than I do.

Mmm...

You said this regarding flabort earlier in the day:

I've actually had a gut feeling that flabort is scum this whole game, and it comes back every time I read over other players interacting with him.
However, when I read flabort's early game content I saw high-quality RVS stuff in RVS, and then he sort of trailed off.
Like I said, his towniness is dependent on his continuing what had the makings of a strong daygame; trailing off on the strength of his RVS is an easy direction to see scum!flabort as going in.

It looks to me that around the time of 4mask's last post that the game is getting out of RVS.

I guess my question is: in light of the BM that you're basing the 4mask meta-read on being very recent - the last game you both played in, I think, thus very likely influencing how much effort he puts in earlier in this game - why does 4mask indulging in stronger early game play earn him a free pass after his effort trails off, while flabort's doesn't?

So long as he isn't heir, yes. I'm unsure if you can make him take vows if he does something bad and you legitimately arrest him.

Ah mah gerd, the problem with coming into things mid-thread is I can't remember what the piss I wanted to say and I don't know if anybody dealt with it later, or if it's even still relevant.

Bugger it, I have 15 pages to read, you guys'll get what you get. Going through it from... here, arbitrarily chosen.

Probably another wall, byraway. Some people may have multiple sections since I find it likely I won't be bothered to go back and edit things later.

PPE: spoilered larger sections, 'cause this got out of hand quickly.

PPE2: how the fu- you guys posted 9 pages since yesterday!?

TBF

Quote from: flabort on May 31, 2017, 06:11:41 pm

EBWOP
You know, I can't tell who's being the lazier one. TheBiggerFish or Pozzai. If I had two votes they would both be used for pressure votes now.

I'm not being lazy, I'm trying to sort out a lease.  Also this thread is moving fast enough I'm having trouble keeping up with it sometimes, geez.

That said: hector:What was that post supposed to mean?

Pozzai:Why haven't you read anything else on this forum?  Have you not even read the pinned threads (in this subforum)?

More later.

I think something about pre-empting my thoughts on matters, because I don't want to be accused of parroting, totes, or I was trying to make it look like I was being funny in an effort to not make it look like I didn't want to be accused of parroting, and the funny part just took over.

Nah, I just don't like it when people ninja what I want to say.

I might need to reread D1 to find content on D2, depending on what comes up.

Er... you will need to reread D1 to find content on D2, and likely D1 and D2 for D3 etc.

This is something you should be in the habit of doing

@Tiruin: I'm most suspicious of Pozzai.  Refusing to engage and clinging to Tea just kind of make me think 'scum'.

I don't quite understand what you mean by that question.  Yes, I' ve seen people commenting on my actions?  Lenglon specifically, most recently.

Because I have something to actually pursue.

Pozzai:I wouldn't say it's that you are interacting with someone you know, it's that you appeared to be only interacting with the person you know.  That said, you've stopped doing it, so Unvote.

Whoa there, Nelly.

You start this off with "Pozzai is most suspicious" and end it with "not suspicious enough to vote, however".

Can you talk me through this? Do you think Pozzai is interacting with these people actively - seeking out the interaction - or passively - reacting to something?

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FoU

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Pozzai PPE: Nah, doesn't feel quite right anymore...

Pozzai

May've been addressed already, but:

I haven't shared them(well kind of have in some interactions) and I wont, because it breaks the purpose.

 If I say "I did this and that because I hope to get these results" I murk the waters for the results I get.

 There's no point in giving people an exact blueprint of what you're doing/intending to do.

*cough cough*

If scum!4mask, might be informative if their arguments feels reachy or contrived.

So... you're willing to let scum know a little bit about how to hide themselves from you, but you're unwilling to let town know how to show themselves to you?

You also seem to be awfully interested in other players reads of those that are voting you:

flabort on TBF

Lenglon on TBF's suspicion

Lenglon on TBF in general

Almost as though you're trying to deflect attention (votes?) onto a person that can easily be made to look scummier than you.

What do you think of TBF?

It seems from your reads that you have a much stronger case against both TBF and doll (in the sense that nobody is going to vote with you based on meta) than you do for the person you're voting for at this point, which is Tea. Why are you voting for Tea here, and not TBF or doll? (vote count at the time)

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Tolyk

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Persus

Reply to this, that I can't be bothered quoting and editing:

Fair enough. Much better post, though lol at only spending an hour on a WoT

Still a bit iffy about you bringing up the hammers, 'cause it was D1 and as Tolyk pointed out, 9 voted are required to hammer at this point. Seems like an awful lot of votes to be worried about.

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OSG

Quote from: doll on May 31, 2017, 08:21:43 am

origamiscienceguy
You're a mildly active, semi-competant mafia player.
That usually makes you real easy to read, and so not a real threat nor a real liability.
Who should I kill tonight and why?

anybody but me

Other than that, I don't know. I haven't read people yet. I'll get back to you on that.

obvscum, only interested in your own survival. Maybe TP. Well... probably more TP than scum, to be fair.

Quote from: flabort on May 31, 2017, 11:09:10 am

OragamiScience
How much of Mafia is emotional, how much is critical thinking, and how much is BS?

To me, none of it is emotional. I don't put any emotion into my game. I put a lot of critical thinking into it though. And it is always all BS. None of what you critically thunk is ever correct, especially in a closed, chaotic game like this.

but i love you senpai

Do you not count gut feelings as emotional? What would you say does count as emotional?

I mean this literally isn't important at all in the context of the game, I'm just curious and willing to piss off everyone else by starting a tangential conversation in the game

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Jack AT

Tiruin: Tiruin.

haaaaaaaaaaaaa I like that.

hector13: Interesting first post, with a serious early vote for Persus.  Won't be active again for a bit, though.  I look forward to his next post. Null for lack of extended content.

Whoa-ho-hooo there, just to be clear, that was not a serious vote. It was my first post, man.

I guess I should be pleased that I can make a crappy RVS pressure vote look super srs..?

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I need someone who has played with TBF before to give an opinion on this, especially the bolded section:

@Tiruin: Because if I was scum in that sort of environment I'd probably do the exact same thing, that is, cling to a town buddy that I know.

I don't know why he interacted with you, other than I guess that you, you know, asked him questions.  I do know that it was a departure from what I saw as a pattern of mostly refusing to interact.

@Pozzai: Saying "Kai is like Shakerag is like Kai" isn't helpful either.  Yes, you've given some differentiation, I guess, but it's not exactly going to help us understand your understanding of Shakerag.

@Pozzai: I believe you're missing something called 'context'.  The feeling that your interaction was weird predated the pressure on you, as far as I know (and as far as you've said), and my later clarification that it felt like buddying was pretty much why I thought it was weird.  I just wasn't in any state to articulate that the first time I posted.

How come I haven't posted my own reads: First off, a lot of them are null.  Second off, I've already made my suspicions clear.  Basically, the only thing I've got is a slight scumlean on you, right now.  Everyone else I haven't really had much interaction with or observation of to build a decent idea.

Also, why the heck are you referring to yourself in the third person in that readlist?  Strikes me as a cheap rhetorical trick...

...No, I "threw shade" on you for not reading the stickied threads, not past games.  The stickied threads aren't past games (mostly).  Jack A T told you that, even.  So why do you misrepresent me like that?

Pozzai: How confident are you in your meta read of Tea?

Tea: What do you think of Pozzai's read on you?

Also Tea:Who is Kalas?

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Doll asked for a reads list a while ago. Activity's going to be sparse for today and Saturday(and none at Sunday)(blame my horrible time management skills), but I think I have the time to provide that.

Me: Town, for sure.
hector13, Jack A T, 4maskwolf: Town. Scumhunting!
doll: Townier than before. She's actually scum hunting now, so that's a plus. A similar level applies to several less active hunters, Lenglon, Tiruin, Persus, possibly Pozzai, Tea, and flabort, who I haven't looked into enough. Maybe Fish. He looks to be attempting scum hunting.
Origamiscienceguy, Shakerag, TheDarkStar: Neutral. They kinda need to post more.
TolyK. I'm not exactly sure what's going on with him. Possible third party.

Wow, there are a lot of people in this game. I'm losing track. Also makes it hard to develop reads on everybody.

How is Lenglon less active than 4mask?

Why do you have OSG, TDS, and Shakes as folk who need to post more and thus neutral, and not the "several less active hunters" as in the above line?

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Tired. Will hopefully post tomorrow, 'cause god damn that was a lot.