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To parrot LW, there's no hard or soft Brexit, there's Brexit or no Brexit.

Will everybody please stop pre-melting my shit? Please?

Fuck it that auto-correct is much funnier than what I meant.

Ah ya bastard I was going to ask why they weren't doing anything to get the reads

'scuse me, you started it, lady.

I'll be attacking things as I see 'em, so if I'm ignoring the state of the game as it currently is (I don't know, I've read like half the first page so far) then that's why.

Jack AT

hector13: How would hector12 approach RVS, and why is that approach wrong?

Well I'll just assume this question is "what's RVS all about, what's a bad way to go about it" 'cause... I'm actually quite tired, and answering the question that way makes it a bit easier for me.

Obviously you want content in the game quickly, so asking things like "what's your favourite colour" and the like, while entertaining and perhaps gaining a bit of knowledge into the psychology of the questionee, not great at the content side through which you can divine someone's alignment.

Asking about theory and then following it up about it, asking about previous experience with other players in the game, maybe posing hypotheticals; these are, I think, good things to do in RVS. Also asking a question to someone when you answer one is a pretty good habit to have in RVS. What's your favourite colour?

Having a look at your RVS questions, you've got a mix of good ones and bad ones, and you're ostensibly touching base with all the other players. You did leave your TBF part blank which... may not net much with a player like Teebs.

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Pozzai

Quote from: TheBiggerFish on May 31, 2017, 01:37:05 am

... @Pozzai: Then your word choice was poor.  Why would 4mask be of any more help, anyway?

 Maybe, sometimes stuff gets lost in translation.

 If town!4mask, able to add a second pov on the only person in the game I have any knowledge of.

 If scum!4mask, might be informative if their arguments feels reachy or contrived.

Why would you need a second opinion on someone you know (and presumably have played with a few times before considering they were the one that brought you in) as opposed to everyone else you haven't?

Do you think it's wise to be telegraphing the things you find scummy so early?

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Persus13

I don't like you.

Also, this game has hammers, so please be careful about bandwagons on people.

This is a part of why.

The rest of your post seems rather... wooden, like it's there just to be there.

Mostly I don't like you.

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doll

hector13
Blah blah competent player don't want to clog this up with RVS is that a good idea kashira nano desu ne
Is what I'm doing a good idea at all, do you think?

I like this question. I really like this question. If I could make a question human and have s-

*cough*

I mean, sure, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You're a competent player too.

I might come back to this later. Then again, I might not.

Unless you want me to not engage in a tit-for-tat "who can be more ambiguous" thing... while entertaining, I s'pose I'll go with my gut and not do that.

Sure, I like what you're doing. You're being typically verbose though, which I'm not a fan of, and you're taking up a great deal of attention early doors, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The tone of your D1 posts has changed again though; uncertain if that's intentional or you're just having fun with what you have right now.

This isn't something I can really give an accurate thought on, given I need to see how you conclude it. Presently: so far, so good.

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FoU

One of these days I'm going to submit The Role That Makes RVS Unnecessary to a BYOR. One day.

Quote from: Persus13 on May 31, 2017, 07:55:02 am

Fallacy of Urist: What's your favorite mafia game on Bay12 you've played? Why?

*reminisces*

Did I spell that right? Anyhow... Flabort's High Powered BYOR 2 is second. If I wasn't killed by somebody giving me a "you can't win" role and stopping me from acting on only Night 2... bah, humbug. As a result, Mafia Marathon is my favorite game. 23 mini-setups, almost a year to play. It was my favorite because it was fun, and it took a while to end, and it was well designed... seriously, Tomasque is a master at mafia design. I'm honored to be working with him on Odd Mafia.

Return question: Is there much benefit to that RVS question?

Quote from: doll on May 31, 2017, 08:21:43 am

FallacyOfUrist
What's your role, FoU-chan?

10) Have fun with the wifom, nano desu

What, expecting me to answer? How about this: I'll tell you what my role isn't. For Day 1: Seto Kaiba. That is, that's not my role.
Now, the question is, whether you're scum trying to get role information out of this, or town trying to see how I react to blatant role fishing.

Return question: Pick two of these five questions to answer.
1. Are you willing to provide a list of Japanese honorifics and what they mean to this forum?
2. Does your theme have anything to do with peacocks?
3. If you had a night kill that only works on cult leaders and survivors, would you use it in lieu of your normal actions?
4. If you had a self-revive that only works during the first two cycles, would you make an effort to direct the scum kill to yourself?
5. Rate each of these questions in terms of usefulness on a scale from 1 to 5 where 1 is the highest and 5 is the lowest.

Quote from: Jack A T on May 31, 2017, 01:12:22 am

FallacyOfUrist: What is the best way to place your vote in RVS?  Should multiple players vote for the same target in RVS?

On a player who made an answer you think is scummy. Yes, within reason. More pressure means more slipping up, but I wouldn't want somebody to be hammered or lynched based on RVS votes.

Return question: Do you think what I just said is true?
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I think that's all the questions addressed to me. Did I miss any?

You have engaged in what I expect of reasonable RVS play. Kinda.

Anyway, you claim your day game needs work. What do you think makes a good day game, and who has displayed it so far? Who has not? What do you think this means regarding these players alignment? (alignments? I Kant England twoday)

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TDS

2-4. Why are you rolefishing?

Jack A T: If you were completely kill/lynch immune, when would you claim it?
origamiscienceguy: If you were a serial killer and had a daykill, who would you kill today?
doll: In your opinion, what is the most important thing to look for in someone's posts to get a read on them?
Shakerag: If you knew that the theme you submitted had a clear impact on your role, would you claim the theme?
doll: Why claim that you're going to die tonight rather than keeping quiet about it to try to waste one of the scum's kills?

lol

Why do you bother if someone else is rolefishing if you're doing the same?

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flabort

Good to see you back, I enjoyed the time I played one game with you, and I think I learned a bit from it too.

Anyway,

Hector13
If you were town and I wrongfully voted for you over a vote you made, what would your reaction be?

This is an odd question. My answer will, of course, depend on my interpretation of the word "wrongfully".

If you were "wrongful" in voting for me, in the sense that your vote was not well-founded, I would have to point that out, and consider why you were voting in that circumstance. Chainsaw defense? Buddying my target? I'd press you on it, see if I could divine the motivation behind it.

Any vote would be "wrongful" on me if I knew I was town, but I imagine my response would be the same if I was scum anyway. I like to think I have a strong enough day game that I can construct a case that people will follow, so I'd press you on your vote, divine the reasons for it, and then try to deflect onto who I thought was scum, presumably the person I'm voting in this scenario.

What do you think I'm finding odd about this question?

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Christ there are still two more pages to read...

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Oh, not much happening anyway. I was hoping there would've been more from doll, alas...

Yes, I'm trying to do that.

flabort: Do you think pressure votes actually help?

God-damn right they do.

Anyway, a significant issue I have with you, Teebs, is you say you have problems asking questions and then seem to expect other people to spoon feed you how to ask questions. You need to learn this on your own, develop your own playstyle, your own voice.

One thing I learned later than I probably should have is to form opinions very quickly, on very little, and be willing to give up on them. That last bit is still something I have trouble with.

I suspect the biggest issue you have with the game is the fear of being wrong. Here's the thing: it doesn't matter if you're wrong. You're not literally going to die if you make a mistake, the worst that'll happen is you'll lose the game. Oh well. Disappointing for a while, but then you can jump right back in and remedy it.

As for questions: If something piques your interest, consider why. Ask about it. If someone says it was a rubbish question, consider why. Ask about it. Your meta has thus far been of a player that doesn't really contribute, so you will likely experience some frustration and unpleasant words from people you have played with before. Don't let that stop you asking questions. The best way to learn what questions to ask, which leads to follow, comes with experience, and you haven't been willing to have that experience in the past. Just jump in and fire questions at everyone.

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Probably should've spoilered that, and everything else, but ah well. You can all have a wall with my first post. Have at ye.

I'm sad there's less of it than I thought

I don't have the stamina for this, I'm going to bed

Mine was... well, quite frankly it was very open to interpretation.