Persus13Doll's version of his PM conversation with me is accurate, for the record.
hector13:
I've not got on his case about PFP'ing, I've got on his case because he wants other people to play the game for him, and when he does deign to answer questions, nobody knows what questions he's answering. Do you think his play so far has very town-oriented?
His play so far has been lazy, but laziness isn't necessarily an indication of mafia affiliation. And he's far from the only to have slim posts.
He is the only player obviously making things harder for town though.
Your first question is asinine. What has anyone done this game? We're still in RVS.
We are still in RVS? I felt there were some pretty serious votes out there. Most people seem to have someone they're pretty suspicious of at this point in the game. I genuinely wanted your perspective on what you had felt you had accomplished so far today, and I apologize if this question came across as accusatory.
I felt we were in RVS at the point you asked your question yesterday, yes.
Why are you apologising?
My perspective was that I hadn't done very much, other than the pressure on TBF which you said I wasn't allowed to cite in response. As your question came with a vote, that's why I felt it was accusatory and responded defensively, seeing as you hadn't really done anything yourself. Leading into:
Second question is better, actually making me choose someone to interact with. I'll go with you, seein' as you're here.
What makes you think my vote on TBF was serious?
And you chose the path of least resistance by choosing to engage in dialogue with someone who had already decided to engage with you. How many people have you initiated (or attempted to) a conversation with that wasn't TBF?
I chose the path of least resistance to content. I'm not particularly good at opening dialogue with people. RVS for me usually involves dropping a vote on someone alongside an inane question or statement, which generally doesn't get much in the way of content.
You gave me something to react to and build on. I responded 15 minutes after you posted in the hope a dialogue would form and I could get a read on you, but you didn't respond.
I posted a little bit last night, though forgot to ask something to Leafsnail that's been on my mind for a bit, remedied later in this post.
I thought your vote on TBF was serious because if it wasn't, what's the point? Being voted means someone wants to kick you out of the game. Plus you want TBF to get his act together and quit whining. That's a good goal to have. Plus as I aid above, we don't seem to be RVS anymore.
The maxim "your vote is your voice" sticks out. It doesn't really mean anything if you say someone is suspicious and leave them be. If you say they're suspicious and vote for them, that provokes a response. My vote on TBF is serious now, 5 hours before day end, but at the time I wanted to provoke a reaction. I felt the reaction I got was telling - he has no interest in playing the game, which is very much not in town's benefit - so left it there.
LeafsnailYes. Especially if that math from forever ago showing it's a strong towntell still holds.
Speaking of which, do you think you'd claim Kook if you were a dopp? Did you plan to do so prior to receiving your role?
I didn't give any thought to it before the game. I wasn't aware of what people thought of claiming kook day one - I remember people being more hostile to it when I played last, so I probably wouldn't have taken the risk as mafia. I might do it in future now I know people are largely accepting of it.
How do you think the town should respond to you and I claiming kook in the short-, medium-, and long-term in this game? Say, D1 + N1, D2-N3, and D4+ respectively.
dollMore of an addition to the above question, but it's D1, anti-town indicators are all we have to go on right now. Do you think Shakerag is wrong (from his perspective) to be voting you, citing anti-town rather than scum?
There's nothing wrong with his vote, if he changes it as the day progresses.
In my opinion there is a lot of material in the thread to be suspicious of, though I've had more exposure to material than any other player I suppose.
The main point will be whether or not he interfaces with the cases that people make from now on.
As a resting vote left from RVS and putting pressure on an anti-town player, it's perfectly valid at the time it is from.
What about that resting vote left over from RVS being there 5 hours prior to the day ending?
Questions regarding
your reads, too:
You appear to have gone to the effort of going through posts to form reads on people, but only quoted Shakerag. Why is that?
A lot of your reads end with you saying "unknown" despite some positive things to say about their game. Tiruin, for example, is playing a "strong and dependable Town (day) game", Deus Asmoth has a "solid town game" yet they still read as unknowns to you. Why is that?
Did the list come in any particular order?
PPE:
TBFWhat have you done to find scum? What do you plan to do to find scum? What have you done to shift the focus off of yourself? What do you plan to do to shift the focus off of yourself?
I haven't had much chance to - especially what with major focuses of this RVS being me, and someone I'm pretty certain is town. fillipk might be scummier than not, but I'm really not certain.
At this point, I'm not sure I'll even have the chance, but I want to see the flip of whoever does get lynched to start actual scumhunting.
The last two questions are quite frankly loaded as all heck IMHO. So no thanks.
Why do you think you've not had much chance to shift focus from you? What do you think people were asking you questions for?
Why do you want to wait until D2 to start scumhunting, when you are presently the lynch target in part because you've done nothing?
What makes you think the last two questions from IronyOwl were loaded?
IronyOwlhector:
So, to answer your question, yes, TBF could use that as an excuse, but I don't think he could say so and have people accept it. He's made 20 posts since I voted him, so he's had plenty opportunity to do something, plenty opportunity to modify his behaviour, but he appears to think it's actually alright that he's said he wanted other people to find the questions he was asked - which, in itself, wasn't really an issue at that point seeing as how it was RVS, but not something I think is particularly helpful to town in the long-run - and that he's not going to put forth the effort into actually quoting and formatting the questions he does deign to answer - much more of an issue, seeing as that way nobody knows wtf he's responding to, and has to spend time figuring that out.
Then he has the audacity to say that the issues people have with him are that he's active-lurking and not asking questions, when I quite clearly had issue with the things in the above paragraph. He's actively taking the piss, is what he's doing.
So is your issue with Fish more a formatting thing and less the lack of substance?
No, that's one example of his unwillingness to do anything for town, though his most recent post he actually made an effort to trim down a quote.
PPPE: can't be bothered editing out the "5 hours 'til day end" stuff, even while the extension goes through and it's technically 4 hours to the previous day end time...
