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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 29, 2016, 01:56:14 am »
I hope you won't hold it against me if I say "told you so" :p

Any particular reason you chose to kill me, FoU?

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As I said before, there's no need (nor any benefit to) a pedo hunt campaign, and that in fact probably makes the problem worse, especially among rich circles. Just encourage people to receive psychiatric assistance if they feel a compulsion to molest children. That will always be more effective than the most stringent police oversight or whatever.
See, I would be happy with that. Then again, we do run into the problem of 'a government initiative with good intentions gathers up the personal information of easy scapegoats, which could be used for bad things by, say, a failed real-estate tycoon with Narcissistic tendencies'.

In fact, I'm not sure why a demagogue hasn't already used paedophiles as a target.
After all, there's an awful lot of them in government and the media.
... Oh, I may have answered my own question...

Edit: I realize this topic is both not really about American politics and is distressingly close to violating forum guidelines, so I may step out of it.

Wasn't one of the big things about the Bathroom Laws that grown men dressing up as women would accost little girls? I'm reasonably sure Ted Cruz was one of the proponents of that line of thought.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 03:38:03 pm »
hector13. Bandwagoning scum.
This is my main thinking, here at the ragged end of the marathon. But that's Hector's MO.

>:( I think that warrants a "fuck off" for boiling down my play to following everyone else :P

Since when do I bandwagon? :'(
Bad phrasing on my part. It's not the bandwagoning, it's the attack-dog nature that is your MO, for right or wrong, for truth or falatiousness. That you used it here to jump on suspicions and make the bandwagon roll is the problem I have. And refuse to tit-for-tat along the way.  That is definitely your playing style, but it seems like it's a bit Spinal Tap in this instance.

We can't just wait around for the Evil role to kill everyone. For all we know the "one role to kill the Evil" is actually present, and the fact FoU has only one kill is so he can kill them without being able to murder his way to victory.

I started the voting because it's a bit pointless to try to no lynch through things, particularly if there is a time limit to this. I don't particularly care if it looks scummy - frankly, an understandable thing - so long as we do things.

The problem we're having right now is TBF seems to think we should all trust him to do as he says, when he doesn't have all the information, and his interpretation of the information he does have could be flawed. If we lynch someone, we get a flip, that we can trust, and that we can build on. If we lynch FoU, and he flips Minotaur, we have your roles confirmed, though not necessarily your alignments.

I assume the "tit for tat" part is in reference to my stubborness not to claim. I normally don't want to make assumptions about someone's position, but I think the day ends in about a half hour, so I don't have the luxury of asking about it.

I'm not claiming because it doesn't benefit the town to do so, at this point. I think it actually helps the Evil role.

We start the game - as town - not knowing anything about other players (normally, anyway; I know you and TBF claim to have FoU's role, and he appears to have confirmed that) and having to get content into the game by interacting with other players. Knowing someone's role and abilities is useful, but it can only be confirmed 100% as true from a flip, so a claim doesn't really do anything.

If everyone claims, they will more than likely claim a benign alignment along with it, such as has happened here. That puts us back to square one. As town, we know someone is lying about their role, but we need to figure out who, because they'll more than likely be the Evil role.

Meanwhile, the Evil role has a list of things the Town has claimed, and has their pick of who they should target with whatever ability they have. They quite clearly have the advantage at that point, as the Town are still figuring out who they can trust, the Evil role picks off the most powerful town members 'til they have nothing to worry about but the day game.

If I don't claim the Evil role has to figure out if I am a powerful town member, in which case they should target me to get rid of me to hamstring the town, or if I'm a bit useless, in which case the town loses nothing. I don't particularly care if I get lynched over it, because at least that way there's evidence behind it that y'all can follow up on, as opposed to when the Evil role hits during the night (assuming no watchers or the like)

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FoS Hector, though, on the assumption that Fallacy isn't a straight and/or double bluffed enemy..  (Is blue the right colour for that?. Making it explicit.)

Blue is the color for that. Why not go whole hog and vote me though? Do you not want to be responsible for the final vote on someone?
Wasn't scared of that with Fallacy.  But I don't want to condemn you (as I might if A.N.Other is perfectly happy to build on my suspicion) before I'm sure.

This makes it look like you think I'm not the Evil role, though perhaps just the most suspicious person... what is more suspicious about me than anyone else?

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 02:49:51 pm »
(Sorry about not posting yesterday; I spent ten hours on a bus. The bus had wi-fi, but I didn't know that.)

Claim's the name is red. For 100% of the games so far, the Evil role has been in red.
One: the Round of Hands, in which Evils were functionally town.
They were still Evil, though—and the same setup can't exist here, since no-one else has a coloured name.

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Two: bastard mod.
The fact that this game is bastard mod means we can't be sure of anything, not that nothing implies anything.

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Three: Round 20, in which an Evil needed to side with town.
But the true Evil role's name was also red. That might not be the case here, of course, but red certainly implies evil, even if it isn't explicit.

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Against you.
Irrelevant.



I'd like to hear everyone's rolename, please; I have a kinda-sorta investigate that needs the correct rolename to work, and it'd be nice if I could use it on someone else if/when FoU gets lynched.

I'd also like to point out the active lurkiness of this post.

And the buddying element, seeing as how anyone with eyes can see the arguments FoU presented were irrelevant.

Also the rolefishiness of the last bit. Might just need the names of the roles for wholesale murder.

hector13. Bandwagoning scum.
This is my main thinking, here at the ragged end of the marathon. But that's Hector's MO.

>:( I think that warrants a "fuck off" for boiling down my play to following everyone else :P

Since when do I bandwagon? :'(

FoS Hector, though, on the assumption that Fallacy isn't a straight and/or double bluffed enemy..  (Is blue the right colour for that?. Making it explicit.)

Blue is the color for that. Why not go whole hog and vote me though? Do you not want to be responsible for the final vote on someone?

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 02:44:47 pm »
Ahhh cock. Had a post all laid out and everything... *sigh*

ctrl+t opens the new tab, don't know why I hit ctrl+r :))

FoU

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Everybody: Has there ever been a repeat of a round mechanic/gimmick during the game? Has there ever been a repeat in consecutive rounds of a mechanic/gimmick?

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 01:31:56 pm »
And this round there were rolenames in bold (underline?) Times New Roman that wasn't green.

If Tomasque broke that pattern, why not break this one?

Pointless speculation. Why base an argument on whether or not to lynch someone on something that can't be proven during the course of the game?

I don't think we even have true alignments, except inasmuch anti-'evil dream' is Town-analogue.

Then why are you arguing that FoU is a survivor? If he's a survivor analogue, then he's not Town analogue.

No, it's 'my wincon actually reads like a Survivor', which it does.

Ah ah ah, but the Town not being able to kill the Evil role, that does mean somebody has to have a kill that isn't Town.  And FoU's the perfect spot to put it.

These are mutually exclusive conditions. A survivor is a third-party, and therefore has no reason to help town. If you insist on using this argument, then we would in fact benefit from FoU's death. A third-party very rarely wins on their own, and the meta-game for MM is essentially points collecting. If the Evil role wins, that's only one person FoU would have to share the points with in the end.

Furher, you appear to be assuming FoU is the key to town winning, despite the survivor claim. It seems a bit unfair on Town having a third-party that has no vested interest in a Town victory being the key to a Town victory, don't you think?

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 12:35:51 pm »
How do you know his role is survivor? Do you even know your role?
I have a copy of his role.  Like I said.
And yes, I know my role, I just didn't read it carefully to begin with.

I'd rather not.

Because...They're referred to differently?  And my wincon is positioned in such a way that I could lop off everything about the 'powerful' dream and still have a valid role.

FoU's wincon is a survivor wincon.

Miscommunication. I meant alignment, not role. Do you know your alignment as well as FoU's?

FoU didn't confirm they were evil, they claimed Survivor.

I don't even. There isn't even anything for me to argue against. No day game arguments. Nothing. I've got nothing.

Y'know what? No.

Rhetorical flourish. Fancy, but contentless.

Yes, I'm the Minotaur. Yes, my name's red. But my win condition, I realize, doesn't require you to die. I simply wish to stalk the labyrinth until time ceases. I'm a survivor.

Claim's the name is red. For 100% of the games so far, the Evil role has been in red.

Then who is the actual evil role? Or, True Evil, methinks? Some kind of dream creature. Y'see, I don't think I was originally the minotaur. Something caused a change. Some kind of dream creature that released my subconscious into my conscious, based on my flavor.

Deflection. "oh of course it looks like I'm the Evil role, but last round there was an Evil role and a True Evil role! So even if I am Evil, I'm not the Evil, amirite?"

A True Evil role who turned us all into monsters. Let's get claiming.

Role-fishing, and hopeful speculation. Does anyone else have a monster as their flavour? I don't.

¡Muy importante!

I am the Minotaur. I wish to stalk the maze till time ends. I may release my human disguise in order to kill someone, though I will be revealed as the Minotaur then.

A survivor claim with these abilities does not make sense. A survivor merely has to live 'til the end. If they have a disguise - which presumably will make them appear town or benign or whatever - why would they willingly give it up to perform an action that has nothing to do with their wincon?

¡Muy importante!

FoU:What's your take on all of this?

Why are you asking FoU about it? We know what FoU thinks about it, and even if we didn't, I'm quite certain he's not going to say "yeah, fair cop, lynch me" is he?

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 02:02:46 am »
It's a trap.

My wincon hints heavily at FoU being the Evil role, but it's never stated, and I'm pretty sure he's not.
Starver, reread your role.

There seem to be two separate dreams mentioned in mine - 'evil' vs. 'powerful'.  Check that.

Also, *implies heavily, not hints.

While I am hugely suspicious of your motives right now, and feel you're dangling some obvious bait here, perhaps it would be wise to provide us with the  following:

The flavour that is referring to "evil" vs. "powerful".

Why you think the aforementioned are separate things, or otherwise do not refer to the same thing.

Why all that leads you to believe FoU is not the Evil role, despite allegedly being told he is, backed up by Starver's claim, and FoU confirming.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 01:30:43 am »
How do you know his role is survivor? Do you even know your role?

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 12:39:39 am »
So your compelling reason for me to claim is "everyone else has done it"?

How is it either me or EP? You've presented no evidence of this, other than your flavour, known only to you. You were sure it was FoU before and then second guessed yourself. I have no reason to believe you're right this time and you're wrong about FoU.

Take a look at FoU's claim, then tell me why I shouldn't vote for him.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 12:13:56 am »
I gave a reason earlier. I see no way how a mass claim at this point helps anyone other than the Evil role, too.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 12:08:16 am »
No.

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Mafia / Re: Mafia Marathon (Semi-bastard) Final Round
« on: December 28, 2016, 12:01:08 am »
It's a trap.

My wincon hints heavily at FoU being the Evil role, but it's never stated, and I'm pretty sure he's not.

You were pretty sure he was a minute ago. What's changed? Why should we take stock of this sure thing when you're not sure about your last sure thing?

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I think that's how Reelya thinks society sees the problem, rather than their conclusion from the evidence they found.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: December 27, 2016, 10:19:20 pm »
Ah well, glad you enjoyed it anyway. Trying new things is good too, probably.

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