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It's sad how much of a rarity statements like this have become. I feel that way about my own country, and I wish that everyone else in the world felt it about their own countries as well. We should all take pride in ourselves and our heritage, and work to continue them and improve them, rather than sacrificing them on the altar of progressivism to gain a few more virtue points.

You do realise the only thing that it takes to maintain your heritage is to, you know, share it with people?

9887
Refugees dont need to be integrated. They need to be given basic standards of living and other help and returned when conflict that made them refugees has been resolved. But is there discussion on solving those problems? Is there discussion on those tens of millions in need of help who werent able to pay a human smuggler and flee to Europe?

I doubt more than a thousand or two out of the over one million arrived to Europe will go back. Europe should not be world's social service office. Nor should the taxes I pay. Saying this should not be racism.

What if the refugees find jobs and pay taxes?

If nothing major changes politically, the war in Syria will likely be over 2 years from now. I wonder what they'll do then?

Who is "they"? Refugees already in Europe?

9888
General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 29, 2016, 01:25:23 pm »
Did I mention the bit where Hillary won the popular vote by at least 2 million?
Because I thought I mentioned that.
The Electoral College is the thing that's ignoring democracy...
Won by 1.3 mil
I've nothing more to add to that so I thought you might be cheered up with a picture of the USA with population measured in units of Canadas
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Or 2.1m. Either way, she got more votes :P

Clearly lay down and take it lest I get labeled as, god forbid, a whiner.

TBF has basically been saying the results shouldn't be acknowledged though, since he doesn't like Trump, which is whiny. Ignoring democracy because you don't like the results...  bit silly.
Did I mention the bit where Hillary won the popular vote by at least 2 million?

Because I thought I mentioned that.

The Electoral College is the thing that's ignoring democracy...
No, that's the system. The system is broken, therefore focus your efforts on changing the system, not saying the results should be ignored because the system is broken.

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Refugees dont need to be integrated. They need to be given basic standards of living and other help and returned when conflict that made them refugees has been resolved. But is there discussion on solving those problems? Is there discussion on those tens of millions in need of help who werent able to pay a human smuggler and flee to Europe?

I doubt more than a thousand or two out of the over one million arrived to Europe will go back. Europe should not be world's social service office. Nor should the taxes I pay. Saying this should not be racism.

What if the refugees find jobs and pay taxes?

9890
Disproportionate means abnormally high or low, conveniently ignoring the content of the point in favour of semantics.
It's not ignoring the content of your point, it's rejecting it
Disproportionate does not mean all

In the very next sentence, though, Covenant then suggests public policy might limit refugees based on these figures. Strikes me as a bit silly to essentially punish the entirety of a group based on the actions of a few.
Seems a bit silly to think people who don't want to live with higher violent crime are punishing refugees for having security concerns; the EU has conflated being an open door doormat with being humanitarian - a dangerous confusion

And furthermore - higher immigration rate increases the segregation between immigrants and natives, which increases poverty and crimerate.

We're not talking about normal immigration here, though, we're talking about refugees.

Criminality is correlated more with socioeconomic status than anything else (so age, education, and employment) and I agree, normal immigration requires policy that controls for that kind of thing.

PPE:
Yet when unintegrated migrant groups commit a disproportionate amount of crime, they are not to blame for it; instead it is the poorly-performing schools they are forced to attend, the lack of money in their pockets, and ultimately, the invisible yet apparently omnipresent 'systematic racism of modern society' that is apparently the real culprit.

Or it's just the fact that lower socioeconomic status is an indicator of higher crime. Perhaps the consideration should be on why they're not integrated and how to fix that? Best indicator for integration is employment. Creating more jobs'll also help the indigenous poor. Bonus.

Refugees, though, aren't normal immigrants. Immigrants are going to somewhere; they have a destination in mind. Refugees are fleeing from something; they just want to gtfo.

Refugees commit more crimes. That's a problem. They don't commit crimes because they're refugees though, so to punish all the refugees because a small number are committing crimes is patently ridiculous. They need to be integratred.

Integration doesn't happen right off the bat, though. It takes a long time. Stupid policies like Swedish police fearing doing their job because they might be seen as racist doesn't help. All that's going to do is make it feel like the authorities aren't going to do anything if a minority commits a crime, so vigilante justice is the way to go. Not a good idea.

Making them feel welcome is a start. Make sure they know the local language, provide them with an education (involving civics) so they can find a job or go onto further education. Get them involved in the local community. It's hard work and not every refugee is going to take to it. That doesn't mean the rest should be abandoned because of them.

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What are you saying here? 'cause it seems to me that you're suggesting that if one person in a "certain group" commits a crime, all persons in that "certain group" must be criminals.
By "certain group", I also assume you mean "immigrant", yes?
Not all, disproportionate doesn't mean all, it's a high ratio not 1
Disproportionate means abnormally high or low, conveniently ignoring the content of the point in favour of semantics.

In the very next sentence, though, Covenant then suggests public policy might limit refugees based on these figures. Strikes me as a bit silly to essentially punish the entirety of a group based on the actions of a few.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 29, 2016, 09:55:18 am »
Clearly lay down and take it lest I get labeled as, god forbid, a whiner.

TBF has basically been saying the results shouldn't be acknowledged though, since he doesn't like Trump, which is whiny. Ignoring democracy because you don't like the results...  bit silly.

There's other things you can do, such as donating time or money to various organizations that provide services for the people that are likely to lose out under a Trump admnistration, such as Planned Parenthood, LGBT rights groups, and immigrants rights groups.

Other things too, but it's morning. I boot slowly.

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I found out that, if I have my head cocked 45 degrees and my shoulder lifted up, I hurt a lot less! I may look stupid, but I can function without tylenol and lay in my bed again!

Good job, Quasimodo.

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Do you think the public doesn't have a right to know if a disproportionate amount of crimes are being committed by certain groups?

What are you saying here? 'cause it seems to me that you're suggesting that if one person in a "certain group" commits a crime, all persons in that "certain group" must be criminals.

By "certain group", I also assume you mean "immigrant", yes?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 28, 2016, 11:51:38 pm »
Fixating on things, making your mind unable to switch off.
oh
right
yeah, that'd do it

Do something to take your mind off it. An hour or so of reading, perhaps.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 28, 2016, 11:49:06 pm »
Fixating on things, making your mind unable to switch off.

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Other Games / Re: SALES Thread
« on: November 28, 2016, 09:45:42 pm »
So among the many other things on sale on steam at the moment, XCOM 2 is 50% off. Meaning it's $30 now. If anyone's considering buying it, I really recommend it.

How does it compare to the first one, and also the original, if you played it?

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Okay, I'll check things out tomorrow. Am I just doing the rest of Maria or Maria+heir or... something else?

Also:

I want to see how badly I can fuck everything up that y'all do. :P

9899
So uh... how are we doing?

Kot said he was going to do continue Euchre's turn, but he hasn't done anything.  Given Saigo hasn't showed up since the 18th of October, it's your turn.

Am I doing it with or without Conclave?

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So uh... how are we doing?

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