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Rather than Deep Elves specifically, I think it would be interesting if the game had a way to allow any race to become "acclimated" to certain environments and gain changes based on that environment.  This would allow eg. Elves or Men who have been changed by living in the depths; or people who have been changed by living in environments with heavy spheres of one sort or another.  People who live in evil or good areas might become altered towards those ends; people who live in savage areas might grow larger and rougher and less socially skilled, etc.

Honestly, if you follow the devlog, I think it's pretty clear that most of the recent features are Adventure-mode focused (although many of them will also impact Dwarf mode by giving it a broader and more vibrant world to take place in.)

I think the idea of "dynamic" advancement is cool and would make worldgen more interesting -- especially if different cultures advanced differently and in different ways.  The game needs more ways, I think, to diversify different cultures and regions, and in general divergent technological advancement is one of the big ways that happened in the real world.

My understanding is that fundamentally, Toady doesn't want to give up control of the game to anyone else; he's worried that if he relied on graphics done by another person, he'd then be constrained to what they implemented (or what they'd be willing to implement in the future.)

Although we have tantrum spirals and huge brawls, they tend to be disorganized affairs.  I think it'd be neat to have something slightly more formal:  When a lot of dwarves hate a particular person, one of them could try to start an angry mob.  It'd be a special event, announced in the logs as "An angry mob has formed, baying for TARGET's blood!"

(Angry mobs could form against non-dwarves, such as animals that have killed a lot of dwarves -- this could be beneficial to the player, but it would more frequently cause problems by resulting in enraged non-combat dwarves rushing into danger.)

Dwarves who particularly hate someone or something could spend time trying to turn other people against it, laying the groundwork for an eventual uprising.  Nobles and Hammerers who cause a lot of problems would be particularly frequent targets, since they offend a lot of people.  Being happy makes a dwarf less likely to participate in an angry mob, but a dwarf doesn't need to be nearly as upset as they do to tantrum, especially if they hate the target a lot.

Unlike a normal tantrum spiral, the angry mob would focus exclusively on its target -- in theory.  But in practice, if they're going after a dwarf, the guards will attack them (unless they hate the target too, or are frightened enough by the size of the mob to just stand back), so it can end up devolving into an angry brawl.

(Teaching angry dwarves to throw stones if they lack other combat abilities could tie in well with this.)

When an enemy boasts in Adventurer mode, it'd be cool if they played up the importance of artifacts and other important objects, too.  For example, if they're wearing or wielding an artifact, they might say something like:

"Fool!  You dare to challenge Thorin, son of Glorin, wielder of Ixialdor, the Breeze of Sorrows?"

It could be 'bearer' for things that are just carried -- eg if someone is carrying something like the One Ring, that can be more important than their titles, etc.

Similarly, they could mention your artifacts, if you're wearing, wielding or carrying one:

"Even Yaganor, the Tomb of Silence will not avail you here!"  Or even "I will take Yaganor, the Tomb of Silence from your cold dead corpse!"

(If they created an artifact, they might boast about that, too, but I'm not sure if they do already or not.)

Quote from: Putnam on August 24, 2013, 11:41:36 pm

Quote from: Objective on August 24, 2013, 11:19:41 pm

Honestly, I think people who think the matriorb getting successfully created is a bad thing kind of forgot that Alternia was also ruled by the Condesce, and it was pretty OK.

may I remind you that they paint with the blood of babies who were considered unsuitable for life

...OK by troll standard at least?

The point is that "troll standard" isn't some natural thing inherent to their race -- Beforus wasn't like that.  The Condesce was described as being one of the key factors in Alternia being a terrible place, which means that "troll standards" are the Condesce's standards.  They were created by her!

(And the Haidmaid, but the Condesce was the more immediate cause.)