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Woah! Suddenly LoFR turns from a crypt to the House of Parliament.

Here's another possibility - what if exotic weapons and weapons are not in the same category, and when the mood starts it is already decided if you will be getting an exotic weapon OR a normal one?

If that's the case, you can scum your moody dwarf's creation as often as you like, you'll have 0% chance of seeing one of those exotics from it.

This mod is heralded to be incredibly different.  Quotes from the first post:  "Countless hidden features and easter eggs which, individually, will not affect gameplay 99 out of 100 times, but are there to be discovered.  No playthrough will be the same!"  and "When you get a weaponsmith in a strange mood with my mod (or in the unlockable "weapons concept laboratory"), you have no idea what you're going to get.  Maybe you'll get a boring old sword or axe, or maybe you'll get "Blacktemples, a mithril khopesh," or "Hauntedrazor, a damascus steel pair of bladed chains."  Legendary weapons should be legendary.  Your civilization will be known forever for the weapon it creates, which will truly be one-of-a-kind. "
I know narhiril already explained what happened, but you need to remember- Unless you're able to do something like me (train every single dwarf to adequate weaponsmith), weaponsmith moods will be rare. I'm guessing a typical fortress not actively looking for weaponsmith moods would get 10 at most, and likely much less. WIth 60 new weapon types along with the original 15 or so available wepaons, it's quite likely that things will be unique per playthrough.

How rare does something have to be, for our (usually very accurate and honest) Narhiril to state that such things "will truly be one-of-a-kind"?  I say, very rare indeed.  Play/playtest all you want Sir; our modder has promised us a game which will never play the same twice.... and for that matter, this has so far proven true for you too, has it not?

This is, in my opinion, the VERY greatest of the Easter Egg mods (and the very greatest of all other mod categories, but I've more proof to support the Easter Egg category than the others).
Oh god the carbuncles my poor lungs they were everywhere D:

Another detail I'd like to comment on, you mentioned running into some disappointing voidwalkers.

I've met some wimpy voidwalkers too.  And plenty that were not.  Usually intermixed within the same game.  There's nothing to say that this one playthrough you are doing now might even have a civilization of voidwalkers who are almost all wimps - that certainly would be a unique happening that I know of.  Then again, voidwalkers have their own type of very special projectile weapon, and impressive aim at a distance, even through fortifications...  Maybe your game just needs a little more time for them dice to keep rolling.
As said before, I've been playing this fort for roughly 20 years. Maybe you're right and I do need some time, but I'm pretty sure I'm at around the limit where a typical fort dies or is quit for one reason or another.

I expect that THIS mod is going to be very hard for you to accurately define the odds on.  It's designed to be very variable; not just across one game but across many games.  I suspect some of the random stuff gets decided during world generation, and that there are scads of surprises that absolutely cannot possibly happen in any specific game that is already being played, because the variables that allow for them have already been selected against - that's one very nice way to guarantee that no playthrough will -ever- be the same, after all.

So keep writing of your adventures, and your satisfied or frustrated desires to delimitate and define what you see happening and what you think that means for every other playthrough too - I'd only advise that you perhaps phrase your findings either within the framework of a truly impressive pile of varied experiments that test what you believe you see, or that you speak of them as 'this is what's happening in my game', without adding in 'thus it's what happens in this mod for everyone'.  That's likely to keep those of us with teeth and troll-thirst benign, if not benevolent, as we consider your words and decide how to answer you.

Note that dwarves need a preference for an exotic weapon to create them with moods.

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I had some marksdwarf recruits at a new, further away fortification, so they found the ambush first.

Without training them first? I will have to assume you wanted them to die, and are simply disappointing that the void walkers where unable to accomplish that.
Fortification. Almost every enemy up to then had been melee. When lore states that a civ is feared for their ranged weapons, you sorta expect them to have elite archers...

Putting ten (Being a standard squad amount) marksdwarfs at even adept level in a decent formation with silver bolts against anything from a dragon, to an exiled rift warden, to a bronze collusus. Go ahead and try it out in arena.

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he whole fireball thing was a result of me being used to creatures ignoring fire when considering pathing. (which is the way it's been since fire was added until recently) I never officially knew of the change until now, and it isn't very well documented on the wiki

Did you prefer it when they got themselves burned?
When did I say that?

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What am I meant to look for in the raws? I'm pretty sure that there are no tags that determine if a weapon is moodable or not

Exactly. So why wouldn't it be moodable?....
Because something in the game broke for one reason or another.

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It might turn out that these mood weapons are weighted to be less likely or something, but I've gone 11 weaponsmith tries (3x different dwarves) without anything.

Oh, so that must mean it is impossible. Put away your vanadium katana, guys! This guy says it is impossible!
How old is that screenshot? I've gotten random mooded weapons in other versions. I don't like my current theory either, but from what I'm doing, it seems to be correct. Or I broke something else somehow.

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I think voidwalkers should get higher natural skills, especially dodge or shield user. Their only real advantage over dwarves appears to be equipment and size. In my opinion, one should be at least an even match for an elite (between great and legendary +0 in weapon skill) dwarf. My melee dwarves also destroy them...

How many viodwalker sieges have you gone threw? It is a well balanced game, and it isn't like that will stop a hail of crossbows couldn't stop them. Your melee dwarves also destroy them, but in theory they are in admintine armor (Considering you know, the whole "Your a cheap hacker" and "you have admantine elsewhere"0
They're armored in a mix of bronze, steel, damascus steel.

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I now have 4 artifact weapons:
Adamantine longsword
Adamantine longsword
Adamantine gladius
Low-grade mithril battle axe
(and an  enormous rat bone corkscrew)
All of which I can create normally.

Three admantine weapons? Looks like someone has been haxing again.

Dwarves pick the highest value metal unless they have a preference for something else. Are you seriously claiming that by having 3 wafers of adamantine, I'm cheating?

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EDIT: Just to be clear, the "mood" weapons do exist- I've gotten them from exotic weaponsmithing.

Really? So you are saying that we have not tossed one of the huge modifications of this fortress? Huh. Imagine that.
When these things happen, most (logical) people would question if the mod was installed properly, and ask the complainer to check. If the weapons didn't exist then I would've screwed up something in installation somehow, and it wouldn't be an issue with the mod/dwarf fortress.