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I understand that you're hurt, but you are really driving me bonkers right now.

No one in this thread is out to attack you.  I already said that I would never use the word "mansplaining."  Furthermore, I have already explained how gender roles hurt both sides and, I believe, offered my condolences.  If I haven't then... well, I'm sorry that certain parts of being a man suck so much.  I really, really am.

Sorry if I sounded a bit bitter, I certainly was not trying to imply you or anyone on this thread was doing that (I wouldn't have posted it here if I thought that, I generally try and avoid conflict), just got a bit irate at the other blog posted here where it was clear any utterance by a male is automatically discredited on account of who said it, not what was said. Lots of men in relationships already feel like they're not allowed to disagree with their significant others. The British TV show "Keeping Up Appearances" may be very cliched (and not the greatest writing ever), but it endured for so many years precisely because there really are women who act like that in relationships. Not every female is sensitive, and not every male is an oblivious sports-fan.

And, like you alluded to being tired, it was one of the last things I posted before going to bed, so that might have been a factor.

Right now, I need to drink several cups of coffee.

You're right to disagree with terms like "mansplaining." (I'd forgotten or missed you saying that) after all, that opens up a can of worms where it's ok to use gender-based insults, and that's hardly taking the debate forward is it? =/

Although there term itself is brilliant in what it does - it could be either derived from "explaining" or "complaining", so covers every utterance the other gender makes. Even in the mansplaining blog, posters were discussing the (uncontested by the authors) existence of "female mansplainers", which are any females disagreeing with any females statement. But in a female vs female debate it would be unclear who is "right", and who is the "female-mansplainer"

There was actually a statement Germaine Greer made in the late 90's that public "man-bashing" had gone too far, so even the original second-wave feminists think this should be reigned in.

It just makes me wonder because I've never heard anyone joke about rape in my life, whether or not females are present. Maybe we're extra-enlightened in Australia or something but I doubt it. (EDIT: This could be part of the male college culture in the USA, after all "FATAL" was produced in the USA)

Oh that's nasty, and incorrect. Darwin awards are not for when you tried to kill yourself. I've never heard of suicide death by taser or anything like that. Shooting yourself or hanging are pretty certainly trying to die.

Also, that's another example of how saying really nasty stuff about males is allowed, yet not about females. Nobody could get away with saying female suicides is because they're "stupid and deserve to die", which is what a Darwin award implies, yet it's pretty acceptable to say this about male suicide victims? (Well, at least in general, I don't think this would fly so well if you said it about a single male victim by name, but males as a group is "ok").

Yup, I'm well aware not everyone, or even every (or most) feminist is that extreme, but it does feel like any sort of problem that afflicts males is ridiculed or down-played.

e.g. the suicide rate in males is 4 times that of the female suicide rate, but we hear little about it. I'm certain there would be major campaigns and investigations if it was gender-reversed, and that males would be pointed at as the cause.

For example I just googled "female depression" and got 60 million hits, and "male depression" and got 6 million hits. Even though males are 4 times more likely to kill themselves. Admittedly changing that to "suicide" did reverse things (due to the number of successful male suicides) but you'd think that depression would be a pre-requisite of actually committing suicide, and male depression would be worth some sort of research.

I'm going to plug "Dead Alive" again, that's the 1992 Zombie/comedy movie by the director of "Lord Of The Rings". Probably the slickest zombie flick ever made, it would be a good one to consider getting if you've got limited funds.

Vaguely in the vein of "Shaun Of The Dead", but Much, Much gorier (really amazing gore!! Unbelievable RIVERS of blood), darker humour, and I find it funnier too. It has much stronger acting, cinematics, love story, pathos, etc too than any other zombie flick I've ever seen too, and I've seen lots.

Bits of zombies are animated in this movie, and the characters must find ingeneous ways too "dispose" of them. Let's just say ... internal "bits" of zombies can become separate characters with more personality than entire villains in most horror films. And almost every death really is unique and bizarrely gruesome and animated with incredible (and hilarious) prosthetics. The zombies in this move really do have personalities, which is a very rare achievement.

It has gratuitous zombie-love ;-), as well as the human love story. Really, the story will amaze you, it's totally unique.

And it's set in the 1950's complete with period-piece cars, fashion etc!

[accidental double post, so I'll post some fave b-movies in my collection here. These are NOT for the PC or easily offended.]

Basket Case - wtf?
Frankenhooker - so, so wrong. From the makers of 'Basket Case'. (Vector you won't like this one)
Street Trash - will 'melt' your heart, and your eyes, brain etc, as well as any shred of taste or decency in your soul (not for Vector either)
Bad Taste - classically stupid
Braindead (aka Dead Alive in the USA and on DVD) - best Zombie RomCom evar!!
Zombie Honeymoon - low budget zombie romance, quirky, interesting. VERY different. This is not offensive like the others.

EDIT: Oh and just reading the posts for Pan's Labyrinth - one of my fave movies. I actually go to see that one in the Cinema
Hmmm I will have to check out Sucker Punch too if I get the chance, though reading some of the comments here i'm not in a rush.

If you want some good underground brain-frying I also recommend a 2002 French Horror film called "Malefique".
read a review or 2 at imdb, it's worth a look and not that well known.

I flicked back a page and found someone promoting Pom Poko, I guess there's some disagreement on it's value. There were some good sections I'll admit, it's just the story is waaaaay too disjointed, and the "morphing" character animation, did not sit well with me. Mind you I've only seen the (probably Disney) dubbed version, the original Japanese Subbed version might not be so annoying.

It could have made a better OVA series or something. Maybe watch it for the magical testicles too.

Hayao Miyazaki was one the 4 executive producers, he did NOT write, animate or direct Pom Poko. I am NOT much of a fan of director/writer Isao Takahata who also did My Neighbors the Yamadas. These were my two least favorite Ghibli films, by several miles.

Takahata did Grave Of the Fireflies as well, which I have not yet seen, its supposed to be very good.

Seduction lets liberals recruit 3-4 followers of their own without needing any juice, just decent Charisma (e.g. > 6 or 7) and a little grinding or teaching to get their skill up.