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Oh IT... you're harder core than most.

You're here on the forums.  "Normal" DF players just download it and freak out for a while, play a bit, get frustrated and leave.

Basically, anyone who actually stays around IS the Hardcore DF player.  Has to be to put up with this game.

Does the savagery of a biome change during world gen or afterwards if you've played your world for long enough? There's this continent in the south that is all savage badlands with the odd tiny jungle. I'm curious if the humans will ever settle it.

DOES change, if a town is right on top of that area.  This can lead to benign areas right near savage ones if humans are already present.  However in your circumstance that you've outlined nobody will ever move to that badland area unless you got there.  Worldgen could run for 10,000 years and nobody will ever go across the waters to get there and depopulate the local wildlife.

Better get to it

Damn skippy

Quote from: Loud Whispers on May 21, 2012, 06:12:25 pm

Quote from: Fireborn on May 21, 2012, 05:37:31 pm

I think clothing has no armor value at all, so it can only deflect the most marginal of blows...

You underestimate tunics.

And socks.

Funny story.  I was messing around with worldgen and raw editing, and managed to make a Goblin civ that would routinely depopulate the entire world and kill off everything nearby.  They had all kinds of weapons and armor and all that.  I decided to tone them down a bit, and one single change made them die off within 50 years during any worldgen I tried:

I removed their socks and shoes.

That's it.

With foot cover?  Deadly.  Without? DEAD.

zener:

No, what Meph is going to do is what most of the other big mod authors are doing right now.  These mods have been developed over 31.25 -> 34.10.  There are a lot of changes.  So they're starting "fresh".

That doesn't mean new things aren't going in.  That means they're adding stuff to Vanilla 34.10 instead of taking the 31.25 derived versions they're working with now and upgrading them completely to 34.10 standards.

In other words, it seems, everyone is going to create a new MAJOR version, instead of just upgrading again.

So keep working on what you're working on, but take special note that if you're basing it off things in Masterwork currently, the underlying stuff might shift around or become obsolete.  So don't make anything using the smoke reactions, or copy creature tags from any Masterwork-specific creatures.

If you're making something from SCRATCH that could go into VANILLA DF, Meph may still consider putting it in to the next version of Masterwork.

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That would go under "optimizations".  My example was a worst case, brute force scenario, using more calculations and being altogether more pessimistic about the ramifications of those calculations than needed to be.  And it still only came out to a fraction of a second to check most of the map in that style.  It's not something you'd want to happen every time you mined a tile or moved anything around, but it's also not a definite FPS killer.

Optimizations like keeping the last mechanical stress number and comparing it to the new would increase the memory footprint of the system, but would seriously speed up its execution.  That's a good point too, and something that should be really considered.

If storing one number per tile and comparing it to the last valid result, as that would, could potentially save a lot of calculation, as that would, then it should be considered.

However, it doesn't really change the amount of calculations needed to be performed on a Cascade-style system.  If the weight support calculations "flow outward" from a spot, any time a tile's support environment is changed those changes in force will need to flow outward.  If the system is coupled with the reductions in transferered weight that I outlined, at a certain point that "flow" will stop naturally.  This basically models the same situation you're talking about, but would be a bit more abstracted and a touch less computationally intensive.

I do this, myself.  With mods like Genesis I generally take out all the female castes and leave one, and if I'm playing vanilla I give the male caste [POP_RATIO:7] and the females [POP_RATIO:1].

They still survive fine in worldgen, but with 1 female dwarf for every 7 male dwarves, skyrocketing baby booms are a thing of the past.  Plus, it explains why nobody in myth really talks about female Dwarves.