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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 21, 2011, 07:21:09 am »

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 21, 2011, 05:12:08 am »
     Ikkonoishi: "Eh hives have to be outdoors to work. I was thinking of more diverse methods of sustaining them..."

I don't think beehives should have to be. As long as they have food (and water), there's no reason a healthy hive of bees couldn't be sustained indoors. Beekeepers use sugar-water/syrup/honey to help support their apiaries during droughts, and some beekeepers in cold climates winter their hives in their homes.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 21, 2011, 02:06:59 am »
Bee-Trees: An unobservant woodcutter might regret chopping into certain trees; certain trees who don't take kindly to smelly woodchoppers (queue unhappy thoughts).

Dwarves would have to clear the area for a day. Future dwarves may wonder about an abandoned axe stuck in a tree.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 20, 2011, 11:52:36 pm »
Rare Honey: Not every plant flowers every year (sage every 2-3 years, kurinji once every 12 years).

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 20, 2011, 10:00:02 pm »
     Uristocrat: "Is royal jelly any good?  Why would people want it instead of honey?"

Some people think it's medicinal.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 20, 2011, 09:37:54 pm »
     DFWiki: "This will cause the hive to grow, allowing it to be split into additional artificial hives."

Skeps (the style I believe the dwarves are currently using) aren't splittable as langstroth or top-bar hives are.

The best you could do is put an empty skep nearby and hope that when they swarm (roaring 50-foot vortex of bees), they move into it.

When beehives procreate this way you usually lose the swarm (and lots of honey), and can be left with a hive at just 10% its original strength.

Top-bars (used for thousands of years), and modern langstroths, can be managed so that swarming is rare and splits are more 50/50. I suggest the dwarves switch to top-bar hives.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 20, 2011, 08:35:48 pm »
     DFWiki: "Populated hives will produce a honeycomb and a royal jelly at some point in time after they become ready
     to be split."

Suggestion: Abandon royal jelly as a product of beehives in DF.

While the practice of honey collection, akin to raiding the bees' pantry, is thousands and thousands of years old,
the practice of collecting royal jelly, akin to drinking amniotic fluid, began in the 1920's and took off in the 50's.

It's not harvestable from skeps. The bees have to be manipulated into producing hundreds of queen-cells (the old queen is taken out and their emergency efforts to replace her are frustrated).

The "queens" are kept on special frames in special hives. The cells of the young queens are then periodically poured off and returned to be refilled. It takes about 120 "queens" to collect one ounce of royal jelly, and it needs to be consumed immediately or refrigerated.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 20, 2011, 06:53:59 pm »
     Uristocrat: "What kind of protective clothing should dwarves make?"

Gloves, fine netting to protect the head, and a cloth bee-suit or robe seem reasonable, but smoke is the best protection. There are beekeepers (not me) who tend their hives with nothing for protection but a pair of shorts, shoes, and a lit cigar.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 20, 2011, 03:06:41 am »
     Jake: "Protective clothing for beekeepers would also be a good idea. Maybe leather armour..."

Leather (cow) has one of those smells that can really agitate the little devils; also bananas (these are things you learn).


     DFWiki: "The royal jelly is a counted as an edible item and can be cooked or eaten as is. The honeycomb requires a
     bit more effort, in that it must be brought to a screw press..."

Honeycomb is an edible item too (eaten wax and all). It comes ready-to-eat straight from the hive (once you get the bees off). Seperating the honey is good for storage because some bugs like to eat the pollen embedded in the wax and can mess up your honeycomb. Of course you could also keep your honeycomb safely preserved in honey .


     DFWiki: "Once the artificial hive is built, it can be set to either allow collection of hive products (which destroys
     the hive)..."

That's sad. Don't use skeps little dwarves! You don't need to kill your bees to get honey and wax. Also, hives are hard to kill without using poison (skeps were usually harvested/killed with sulphur fumes). Top-bars are a better option.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 19, 2011, 11:58:58 pm »
     Uristocrat: "Does this mean that people who ride or handle horses are also in danger from the scent?"

I'd think so if they got horse sweat on their clothes.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 19, 2011, 08:26:25 pm »
Honeybees have a special vendetta against horses, or the smell of their sweat at least. While other livestock is tolerated, horses can trigger a swarm-attack 80 feet from a hive. An attack will kill a horse that can't run away.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 19, 2011, 07:51:40 pm »
     Uristocrat: "How much do bees like those plants?  In other words, how hard is it to prevent them from using that?
     Or is it more a problem when collecting wild honey or getting wild bees to start a hive?"

Depends on the plant, I know bees avoid some toxics and not others. The location of the hive effects honeycomb composition. For domestic hives, this can be controlled, while wild hives choose for themselves. This makes eating honey from an untested wild hive riskier, but a good "wild" hive can be revisited for honey year after year.

     Acanthus117: "Wait, does that mean that strawberry honey tastes different than clover honey or something?"

Absolutely. Nectar source affects both honey flavor and colour. Some honeys are clear and sweet while others are near-black and really bitter. Storebought honey is usually a homogenized blend from different countries and not mono-floral. If you want to try a monofloral honey, look for the "PURE" label (try raspberry or watermelon if you can).

     Sunday: "isn't normal honey supposed to have antibiotic properties?"

Yes, antibiotic and healing to varying extents. It's especially helpful in treating burns. Honeyed cloth wraps can help with the application.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 19, 2011, 05:52:08 am »
     "Toxic Honey: Eating honey made from toxic plants often has undesirable side-effects"

It's true for humans, not sure about dwarves. What's toxic to humans isn't always toxic to bees.
Honey toxic to humans:
+Azalea
+Mountain Laurel
+Oleander
+Yew

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 19, 2011, 04:44:20 am »
     Uristocrat: "What does that hierarchy look like / what is it based on..."

Bees have their own peculiar preferences. Occasionally those preferences are very strong and they will fly through three miles of less desirable flowers to get to the ones they like. I know they like clover and thyme, and try to avoid soy and alfalfa. But I think DF would be good with just nectar-abundance and proximity.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Honeybees Buzz'n Beard
« on: February 19, 2011, 01:57:33 am »
     Uristocrat: "How do you get them to choose the type of nectar you want them to?"

Bees have a preference hierarchy, but mostly its determined by abundance and proximity. If you want strawberry honey, put them close to a strawberry patch.

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