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Then you have abilities which mess things up even more! Levitating Magnemite laughs at your Ground attacks.

I liked that part as well. It's odd to have people wish death on me :/

Quote from: Sirus on March 30, 2014, 10:42:25 am

Does the one from the 80s display the same level of tactics? Because if so, no thank you.

I mean, the one I linked had potential. There were quite a few moments (the zip-line thing comes to mind) where I was thinking "Okay, this is pretty cool!". But then they squandered it all away.

I doubt you can rate a series based on a direct-to-video OVA made 25 years later. As for the shitty tactics, that's episode one and perhaps the plot is about how the military command cocked things up in a landing, sort of looks like Omaha beach in WWII or Gallipolli in WWI. What's shooting at them which can't be seen would be static gun emplacements on-shore. Machine gunners and snipers in the real world don't stand out in the open, in plain sight.

It's also hard to tell what's going on with no subtitles. Personally my gripe would be that the CGI doesn't look very polished.

Okay, until Furtuka mentioned it I had no idea that this was some remake of an older show. Someone mentioned and linked to the video I linked earlier and several people mentioned how awesome it was.

I realize that the enemy gunners were stationary emplacements and not just single guys standing around. Problem is that these mecha guns are apparently capable of blowing up bunkers with just a few shots. There is absolutely no reason for the mechs to not shoot back unless they have stupidly limited ammunition supplies; even pointing in the general direction of where the bullets are coming from and firing a few shots might at least throw off the enemy gunner's aim, if not explode another bunker.

And yes, it was hard to understand what was going on with no subtitles. I believe that was one of my main gripes.

And it seems that /m/ has a rather low opinion of the OVA's compared to the original show if that counts for anything.

At least I'm not the only one.

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The "protags aren't invincible" argument might hold water if people with a speaking role were actually killed. The only two pilots with voices and faces survived; everyone else was a mook and they don't count.

I guess it wasn't the fact that they had to ascend one at a time that bugged me, but the sheer dumb way they kept doing it when it was obvious it would never work. The gunners clearly knew exactly where each mech would appear at the top of the cliff, they had the range and the target area down pat. At that point it would be smart to either pull down those track-things and set them up somewhere else, or find an area of the beach without such sheer cliffs. Instead they just kept marching up one by one to get massacred. I can't even call it human wave tactics, because this was more like sticking a bunch of cows on a slaughterhouse conveyer belt and shooting a bolt into their brains one at a time.

Yes, but in D-Day the good guys prevailed. Lots of soldiers were lost (mostly at Omaha, the other beaches fared much better in comparison), but they used their brains, material, and sheer manpower to pull it off. These anime guys lost craptons of material and soldiers (at least two of those giant airships, all those massive pylons, every one of those mechs and their pilots) for no gain whatsoever.

Personally, I would have airdropped mechs. They had the giant airships, they have those cable lines, and I'm sure they have parachutes. Drop some mechs behind the machine gun emplacements in whichever way you wish while the beach invasion progresses. That's what the allies did at D-Day, and those airdropped soldiers contributed a great deal towards harassing and delaying German reinforcements.

Like I said: there were bits I enjoyed, but the sheer bloody pointlessness of it all combined with the vast majority of the OVA being taken up by politicians chatting ruined the overall experience.

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Quote from: Sirus on March 30, 2014, 09:43:22 am

Ice is strong against either Psychic of Flying.

Flying, and I remember it due to wing icing.  When enough ice builds up on the wings, birds and planes can't fly anymore. 

Ah, okay. My Amaura went up against a Sigilyph (more because nothing else I had could have had a chance against it) and I was surprised when his ice-flavored Take Down was a super effective one-hit crit.

Well, if it is dead I'll just have to have Keyleth return in another game.

A week or two ago I remember there being some discussion in one of the emotion threads about this VOTOMS anime, about mecha soldiers and people were talking about it like it was so awesome but also realistic (as far as mecha goes).

Well, I checked it out. And it's pretty crap IMO. In the two 10-minute episodes I saw there were maybe 5 minutes of mecha action, most of which consisted of mecha being shot to shit without resistance by unseen, faceless enemies in bunkers. Out of the dozens - if not hundreds - of mecha, maybe two actually fired their weapons. It was a very effective weapon, which makes me wonder why the rest weren't at least trying to shoot back instead of marching in a straight line directly into the enemy's line of fire. One mecha would move forward, get shot to bits and fall down, another would move into the exact same spot and get blown up, etc etc to the point of ridiculousness. And as far as I can tell, these were supposed to be the protagonists! I assume this because they had the only speaking roles during the mecha section. I don't know how the studio managed to make a D-Day reenactment boring and pointless, but they did. The battle ends in utter failure on the mecha's part with maybe 2 soldiers alive.

The rest of the 15 minutes were taken up by politicians(?) talking about stuff, presumably how badly these VOTOMS were screwing up. Of course, I couldn't actually tell because all the dialogue was in Japanese and there were no subtitles. I didn't decide to watch this to listen to a bunch of old people ramble on in a language I don't understand, I decided to watch because I heard this show was pretty awesome! Talk about false advertising.

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Gordon wasn't sure whether he should reprimand the young pirate for her language or be impressed by how inventive it was.

I mean after you're done with that