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Utilities and 3rd Party Applications / Re: Vanilla Dwarf Fortress Launcher
« on: March 07, 2012, 11:13:00 pm »
Oh, sorry. I was using the wrong Java command. Here's what I get when I run 'java -jar VanillaLauncher.jar' (The same message appears in the console if I run it from Finder, or if I try to run VL_Mac.sh or VL_Linux.sh)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It looks to me like it might just be a problem with my outdated java version...

P.S. The windows executable doesn't seem to work through Wine either :P

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Utilities and 3rd Party Applications / Re: Vanilla Dwarf Fortress Launcher
« on: March 07, 2012, 09:16:26 pm »
I just tried it on a mac, and it crashed. Running it in Terminal gave this error:

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: VanillaLauncher/jar

If it makes a difference, I'm using OS X 10.5, so I'm limited to Java 1.6

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DF General Discussion / Re: The true nature of Dwarf Fortress' universe (‼Science‼ included!)
« on: March 07, 2012, 09:01:38 pm »
Quote from: Draco18s on March 07, 2012, 07:53:40 pm
Quote from: Tharwen on March 07, 2012, 06:30:09 pm
But then they wouldn't be able to interact with 3D objects at all!

Actually, they can.  A 2D object is like a sheet of paper and can pierce right through a 3D object.  That's how Flatlanders trap an intruding 3D being in their universe.

That said, even if the balista bolt (or anything else, for that matter) completely severs a limb off a 'dwarf' which is actually a 4D being, it's not actually that injured.  It's like drawing a stick figure on your arm, then taking a knife to him: he's severed in half (you just have a small cut).

But it has no mass in a 3D realm, so it can't impart any force within it.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Animal taming fix!
« on: March 07, 2012, 06:39:24 pm »
Hopefully fortresses will be able to contribute to the civ in more ways too in future. I hope this means that digging to the HFS then retiring a fort and waiting a few years will result in civ-wide adamantine weapons :D

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DF General Discussion / Re: The true nature of Dwarf Fortress' universe (‼Science‼ included!)
« on: March 07, 2012, 06:30:09 pm »
Quote from: BigD145 on March 07, 2012, 06:11:13 pm
Quote from: Tharwen on March 07, 2012, 11:16:36 am
Quote from: Wimopy on March 07, 2012, 10:09:13 am
And what about ballista arrows?
Are they 4D that strangely occupy 3 tiles?
Or are they powerful 3D objects that push things into the 4D world like water?

Ballista arrows are, for some reason, 3 dimensional. Who knows why the dwarves build them that way...

I think they are 2D as they cannot act upon things up or down from the point of origin in 3D space.

But then they wouldn't be able to interact with 3D objects at all! Also, they eventually fall to the ground, which a 2D object couldn't do.

Quote from: Lielac on March 07, 2012, 10:02:35 am
1. You have combined my favorite mathematical obsession and Dwarf Fortress. MARRY ME

Very well. However, I've decided to forgo any formal celebrations.

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DF General Discussion / Re: The true nature of Dwarf Fortress' universe (‼Science‼ included!)
« on: March 07, 2012, 11:16:36 am »
Quote from: Wimopy on March 07, 2012, 10:09:13 am
And what about ballista arrows?
Are they 4D that strangely occupy 3 tiles?
Or are they powerful 3D objects that push things into the 4D world like water?

Ballista arrows are, for some reason, 3 dimensional. Who knows why the dwarves build them that way...

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Hatching Giant Birds
« on: March 05, 2012, 10:26:53 pm »
Quote from: Mewchu11 on March 05, 2012, 01:57:54 am
giant baby gray parrots?

'Giant gray parrot  child'

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DF General Discussion / Re: The true nature of Dwarf Fortress' universe (‼Science‼ included!)
« on: March 05, 2012, 10:20:34 pm »
Quote from: Icefire2314 on March 04, 2012, 09:24:24 pm
Don't try to comprehend the dwarves.

Tharwen has gone stark raving mad!

:P Trying to comprehend the dwarves is a death sentence by your brain turning to mush, and dying slowly of dehydration/starvation.

*Runs around babbling*

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: What is the exact order of priority for all jobs?
« on: March 05, 2012, 09:52:13 pm »
It's interesting how the game can be so mechanical and predictable in some respects, but many aspects of dorf behaviour are organic and unpredictable.

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Can you use a seed to copy a 0.31.25 world to a 0.34.04 world?
« on: March 05, 2012, 09:42:38 pm »
The world will be the same, but the history and civilisations will be different. I don't know by how much.

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Forced Labor
« on: March 05, 2012, 09:31:15 pm »
That horse skull is forbidden. Use d>b>c to reclaim all the items in that stockpile. Also, cut some gems.

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: Forced Labor
« on: March 04, 2012, 10:08:57 pm »
Once they claim the workshop, they give you a list of ingredients they need.

To find out what workshop they want, look at their labour skills under v>g and build the workshop appropriate for their highest skill. If there isn't a workshop specifically for that skill, just make a craftsdwarf's shop.

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DF General Discussion / Re: The true nature of Dwarf Fortress' universe (‼Science‼ included!)
« on: March 04, 2012, 08:23:33 pm »
Quote from: Icefire2314 on March 04, 2012, 12:58:54 pm
I think in a four dimensional world, the difference is that everything is much more connected. The universe, I mean. Which means, those who have mastery of movement in a 4-d world could move much quicker than in a 3-d world, because of these shortcuts. It would appear to be 'teleporting' to us. That's what I think anyway.

And of course, five dimensional, it's just more connected, allowing for more shortcuts.

Indeed. It seems they only use those shortcuts when they're grappling and biting though... Who knows why. Maybe the world of Dwarf Fortress is simply the setting for a series of bloody multidimensional gladiatorial games, in which travel is only allowed in 3 dimensions...

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DF General Discussion / Re: The true nature of Dwarf Fortress' universe (‼Science‼ included!)
« on: March 04, 2012, 11:35:40 am »
Quote from: MonkeyHead on March 04, 2012, 04:52:53 am
M.C Escher would approve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._C._Escher

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Well, it's common knowledge that he was a fan of Dwarf Fortress.

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DF General Discussion / Re: The true nature of Dwarf Fortress' universe (‼Science‼ included!)
« on: March 04, 2012, 04:49:25 am »
Quote from: Umi on March 03, 2012, 11:54:08 pm
Is not the 4th dimension time?  I'm not sure how that'd work into your plans...

Fine. It's a universe with 4 spatial dimensions and 1 time dimension.


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