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One more reason to stick to lawyers and judges. They are the better speakers and can get out of troubles by themselves. In fact, I don't see the reason to kill conservatives, it's more a pain than a gain. They drop ridiculous amount of money, the clothes has to be washed first, and the ones having weapons are a pain to kill so the weapon will cost you one or more lives. Plus the police heat is on you, and your hideout will be raided soon afterward, if any member of the squad could escape...

So, I ask, why killing conservatives? Do you gain something by doing so(better opinion for exemple)?

There are a really impressive number of uses:

-You go to a building with a bomb, then you plant it somewhere you think it won't be discovered. It can be either a time or remote bomb. If timed(you set the timer), you have to get out of the building as fast as you can. If remote, you can then blow it up when you want(as long it's not discovered). Cellulars can be used as remote control, for exemple.
When the bomb explode, depending on where it was planted in the building, the building type and the number of victims, the opinion is modified.
The better thing is to plant the bomb in a corner, or under a table, in a TV, a computer, or even on a factory machine so it can't be found. You can also place it somewhere you know it will affect people, but there is a chance the bomb will be found.

-You can also use suicide bomber to go in public places and either ask for something, or simply detonate.

-For even better effect, use a bombed car, park it in front of a building to detonate it later, or just drive IN the building.

-When a bomb is found, police forces send a special unit to try to disarm it. It aslo mobilise a big number of policemen, meaning their attention is focused on the bomb. It's a good way to use the bomb as a diversion, while an other squad kill, kidnapp, rob or move from the current hideout to an other.

-Using bombs in the Court House delay the trials and has an impact on further trials.

-Using bombs in a Police Station can serioulsy put a stop to all police activities.

-Why not also use the bombs for breaking liberals out of jail? A big hole in a wall, few weapons and we are out!

-Destroying sweatshops can influence the opinion a lot.

That's some random ideas... Just pick the ones you like   .

And about weapons crafting... Well, you can of course make knives with a rasor blade and a little stick, put nails on a club, and so on, but home-made pistols are also a possibility. I saw a gun made with car part on TV(don't know the english word for the exact part, it's the one preventing the car to bounce madly). And we forgot about the famous silencer thingies... Very easyly home-made the silencer is. And there is also the magazine size expansion. Very famous among the street gangs.

But it's better to have a knife than to be totally armless. I saw the difference in fight. You have to punch a guy more than 10 times to see him stop breathing. A good knife slicing can kill a guy in one or two blows. I even saw a pitchfork with an instant kill(the liberal aimed the head).

I admit I don't use weapons a lot, but I feel safer when I have one.

[ July 21, 2007: Message edited by: Lackland ]

Actually I'm working on testing few ways of playing, seeing if there are big no-noes and if all the tactics have equal chances of winning.

My first approach of the game was based on: "If meet this person, try to recruit her."
I started by going in industrial district appartments and recruiting all I could, stealing all that wasn't nailed, and going out when the conservatives were getting nervous.

I ended up with numerous squads, all of them going to differents appartments to steal more and of course recruiting.
Halas, when checking the ranks of my activist, I noted a really intessing fact.
Most of them were hippies, transcients, teenagers, gang-members, prostitutes and so on.
Low classes, if you allow me to say so.
A lot of fighters without weapons, some workers who could infiltrate factories, and people with nearly no useful skill(clothes washers...).

I thought it was important to have a lot of members to act everywhere, if possible. I tried to avoid killing, but it sometimes happened, and I used it to steal special clothers and infiltrating more places, sometimes making my own clothers. I never bought any weapons, because even with constant stealing an selling, I couldn't make money fast enough.

Each day(a turn) was very long because I had 10 or so squads to move with constant recruiting. It became a real pain to play, and I had nearly no real proteciton due to lack of money, so cops raids were real slaughter like Zerg rush on a Terran base.
Read by this: A whole of unarmed hippies charging the polices forces with bare hands, and trying to kill a cop to pick a weapons.
Hilarious, yes, but sad too... Reoganising squads after that took me too much time, and made me stop playing for nearly a week because it was frustrating.

So, I put the save somewhere else, and tryed an other approach.

I tried to choose my recruits, instead of letting everyone in.

First step: Working on money.
I went to the cybercafe, and dated programmers, when I saw trying to convince them was totally useless. Each day, one more programmer, and all of them working on disobedience(hack).
I invested to have a safehouse with all upgrades, continuing recruiting programmers. Then I built the Guardian in an other. I saved around 3000$ and moved to phase two.

Step two: Being on the side of the law.
I moved to the courthouse and dated lawyers and judges. I convinced the liberal and moderates ones to join me, because they have a big persuasion needed to indoctrinate. I kidnapped the conservatives and indocrinated them with the money I now get quite often with hacking.

I had a cop raid some weeks later, to test the effect of my three sleepers lawyers, I surrendered. Many programmers ratted me out.
Then the trial started.
All the guys who stayed with me, with the help of one of my conservative lawyer, were found not guilty.
The funnier was when I, actually was accused of theft, racket, kidnapping and car theft. The jury were screaming not guilty BEFORE the end of the trial.

I now begin to think it's not even usefull to build upgrades for safehouses, but I will keep doing it just in case.

I will try to reach around 10 sleeper lawyers just to be sure, and around the same number of judges. It should make me totally law-proof.
In the same time I will also try to indoctrinate police officers, soldiers and agents if I find some.
The objective is to have total immunity then i will move to phase three, working on the opinion.

This approach works far better than the last, proving quality is better than quantity.

I can finally page up and down like if there were no tomorrows! So, there are crack factories... I wonder what I can do there.

Now I can use all my activists, wich means more squads and more income.

Yeah for Liberal keyboard!

First things first, I downloaded this game more by curiosity. I noted most of people(like me), try Dwarf Fortress first and stick with it. And of course, because it's so good and time-consuming, you don't have time to try LCS.

I took the time to try LCS and had fun from the first minutes playing. Later in the night, my mind was focused on it and I just couldn't stop(at wich point, the game crashed, and I dediced to call it a night, but that's not the point).

We're in 2007, FMVs are everywhere, 3D has now become common, and 2D games are has-been for most of the kids...
But I'm having more fun playing LCS than playing a lot of modern games.

Well, what could I say? This game is great, even if I haven't played a game month, and haven't see all of it. Congratulations for making it, and thanks making us able to play it.

Sadly, I now must change my Mister Nice Guy cap for the Mister Annoying one...

I won't complain about crashes, well, they happen, but we can save and it prevents gamers to feel a dangerous addiction.

I will only need you help for two things.

1)The famous pageup/pagedown thingy.
As a french player, I have an azerty keyboard, and I think I tried most of possibles way to actually make a pageup/pagedown thingy without any result. So, I have, I think, something like 60+ people in my hideout and I can't even use more than the half of them, wich is quite sad... And there are places I will never see for the same reason.

Fiddling with or without numlock, changing to brackets and using alt-keys proved not to be enough.

Does any of you have an idea of what to do to be able to scroll up and down in a such situation? If only I could use up and down arrow keys to do it...

2)Money

I have some problems finding money. I mean, a lots of money. Thievery is my first source of money, stealing and selling TVs along with the occasional printer, cellphone or silverware. I tryed to have one guy sell brownies, but it doesn't seem to work very well(plus, he got his limbs broken by a group of rednecks). And asking for donations doesn't seem to have a direct effect(maybe at month change? I still don't know).

Any tips for fast money?

Thanks for you reading.

And about skills, I noticed that too. It seems the only skills going up are the ones you use on the "field". But maybe I'm wrong.